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How do you guys typically verify if an overseas raw supplier is legit? I’ve seen some with no official websites or public presence, just big product lists. Are there any red flags or common scams to watch out for? Not looking for a source—just trying to understand how people separate real suppliers from scammers.
 
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maplesyrup said:
How do you guys typically verify if an overseas raw supplier is legit? I’ve seen some with no official websites or public presence, just big product lists. Are there any red flags or common scams to watch out for? Not looking for a source—just trying to understand how people separate real suppliers from scammers.
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buying small amounts as an individual it would be a crap shoot. When selling to a big lab they are logically wanting more business so are more apt to send what they say they are sending. your little order is not something a lot of bigger suppliers would even deal with. you would be dealing with someone specializing in your market and that market might not have a clue or any way to tell if what you got is what they ordered.
 
If you are looking for raws it might be a good idea to spend some time researching, researching and remembering. It won't take long but due diligence will lead you to the right suppliers. Meso is a board that exposes pretty much everything and it's almost impossible for a supplier to get away with much for long. Use the search bar at the top, it yields plenty of advice. You know it's from overseas so you know the risk to bring it in.
 
maplesyrup said:
How do you guys typically verify if an overseas raw supplier is legit? I’ve seen some with no official websites or public presence, just big product lists. Are there any red flags or common scams to watch out for? Not looking for a source—just trying to understand how people separate real suppliers from scammers.
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Mfg covered Meso already. Meso doesn't seem to have very many india sources that don't sell non pharma items. You best bet is to buy a very small amount, and get it HPLC tested. There are few places in Canada that do HPLC tests, or there's always Jano. The testing from Jano isn't exactly cheap as it's in USD, but it's your best bet if you want to make sure it's the real deal.

Otherwise make friends with homebrewers / business men who know the landscape and in due time ask them where they source.
 
I'd avoid anyone but Jano for HGH tests. He uses a special solvent during the mobile phase of HPLC for HGH that helps separate the peaks of HGH from the excipients, and hasn't shared his method. My guess is, a higher %'age of TFA or acetonitrile. For the rest, HPLC is configured by using USP standard compounds. You buy one of the samples, dilute it X amount of times, and fit a basic linear regression to the peak. There is usually a +- 0.5% margin of error between vendors, but if the gear is fake, who the hell cares about +- 0.5%.
 
I’ve used the services of Janoshik as well. I paid for the raw data as well so I can verify it myself.

Very satisfied. I will post a review for him. Has zero reason to lie about the results. My test E came back %62 while primo, test p, npp, and Anavar came back >98%.
 
Funnyman said:
With purple panda, no testing required.;)
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No testing on my end. Have used them for well over a half decade now. Ordered a few times and for the last 3yrs I have used my home brew exclusively and test exactly where I did when I used pharma for my TRT tests. Last two batches were brewed the same and got similar blood test results.

Entropy where did you get your raws? Both panda and QSC have replacement guarantees. If you actually got 62% then either of those companies know that already and offer replacements shipped free of charge but they don't contact you. You have to contact them and they will make things right. 5 samples is nearly $1k CAD to test so I am thinking you must have gotten a lot. What resolution did you get?
 
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No testing on my end. Have used them for well over a half decade now. Ordered a few times and for the last 3yrs I have used my home brew exclusively and test exactly where I did when I used pharma for my TRT tests. Last two batches were brewed the same and got similar blood test results.

Entropy where did you get your raws? Both panda and QSC have replacement guarantees. If you actually got 62% then either of those companies know that already and offer replacements shipped free of charge but they don't contact you. You have to contact them and they will make things right. 5 samples is nearly $1k CAD to test so I am thinking you must have gotten a lot. What resolution did you get?
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Thanks for looking out bro.
This was a contact I had pre Covid. I had made the purchase during Covid. The samples waited until last year to be tested. The Test E was white powder when it arrived and 3 years after, it looked like tree sap. Kept it in a dark and cool are in their own containers.

I know it costs a lot but if you’re going to get enough to give you 2-3 years of usage, you should at least know the concentrations of your finished products. Even if the purity is off, you can always formulate it for the correct dosage that you regularly use. But once you know that your supplier is legit, you don’t need to spend extra money for testing unless you are stocking up. It’s always good to test, don’t get me wrong as this is the proper way to do things. But a lot of people do just fine without the extra info.
 

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Mfg covered Meso already. Meso doesn't seem to have very many india sources that don't sell non pharma items. You best bet is to buy a very small amount, and get it HPLC tested. There are few places in Canada that do HPLC tests, or there's always Jano. The testing from Jano isn't exactly cheap as it's in USD, but it's your best bet if you want to make sure it's the real deal.

Otherwise make friends with homebrewers / business men who know the landscape and in due time ask them where they source.
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The issue with that comment is. Alot of raw are cut unfortunatly (especially now with the test shortage). You will notice 9/10 vendors wont send a small sample (even if paid for). As they advertise it at a certain % and know any pro is going to get it tested...to find out that 90% is now 60%. What the above comment is right about though is most larger supplier wont even entertain you for under a kg. Which is a large gamble having a KG shipped from the most the countries parcels are the most checked in the world. If its from china / india, you have less than a 50% chance if it even making it here. If your going to try and source from a canadian vendor, expect to pay up the ass for the risk they took to get it here. So basicslly are u willing to gamble 2k?
 
Funnyman said:
With purple panda, no testing required.;)
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I checked them and they suck. They dont have alot of the main raws ppl would actually buy also wanting $180 US for 10 grams of test c raw powder 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Your better off just buying vials at that point.
 
Someguy22922 said:
I'd avoid anyone but Jano for HGH tests. He uses a special solvent during the mobile phase of HPLC for HGH that helps separate the peaks of HGH from the excipients, and hasn't shared his method. My guess is, a higher %'age of TFA or acetonitrile. For the rest, HPLC is configured by using USP standard compounds. You buy one of the samples, dilute it X amount of times, and fit a basic linear regression to the peak. There is usually a +- 0.5% margin of error between vendors, but if the gear is fake, who the hell cares about +- 0.5%.
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I love the "special" solvent. I find it so amusing when people use this word like this.
I follow a "special" diet with "special" exercises and use "special" supplements to achiece my goals. Dont ask what they are, but just know that they are "special".

Nobody else? No? Just me? Ok, lolol.
 
DeeKnows said:
I love the "special" solvent. I find it so amusing when people use this word like this.
I follow a "special" diet with "special" exercises and use "special" supplements to achiece my goals. Dont ask what they are, but just know that they are "special".

Nobody else? No? Just me? Ok, lolol.
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You are special. 😋
 
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