Chinese oils, peptides, and orals

A gym buddy ordered a shit ton of oils international from China and made it no problem. I won't specify quantity, but enough for a life time for most of us lol.

Quality? I tried a couple did what it was supposed to....Consistency? Now that's a different story
 
A gym buddy ordered a shit ton of oils international from China and made it no problem. I won't specify quantity, but enough for a life time for most of us lol.

Quality? I tried a couple did what it was supposed to....Consistency? Now that's a different story
I buy peptides from China. I've seen oils and hgh in vendor catalogs for extremely attractive prices, but I don't have the balls to import a scheduled substance. At least peptides still fall into that "for research purposes only" gray area of deniability... for now (hence the ever growing stash in my freezer).

When it comes to AAS, I will continue to source domestic.
 
Sorry let me clarify.

The info is pulled from the FDA:

It refers to exposure in a 1 hr period, and the safe limit in humans is 5 EU per kg of body weight. Suppose your tirz dose is 15mg, you'd be tripling that limit when you do your weekly bolus shot (since that would be half the vial which contains a total of 2300 therefore 1150 in that one shot).

I got the 350 safe limit using 5 EU/kg for an "average" person around 150 - 170 lbs. A bigger dude could handle slightly more, but not by much.

The one hour window bit admittedly confuses me a little, as I understand endotoxins can also build up in your system with repeated exposure.

I hope I'm explaining this in a way that makes sense?

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Look at example 2 though.... with respect to calculating threshold pyrogenic limits using non intrathecal administration of b12 @1000mcg/ml concentration and a 14.3mcg/kg recommended dose from the product information. It takes into account both concentration and recommended dosage to establish the limit

So then Assuming the 5EU/kg threshold pyrogenic limit (TPL) established for such a parenteral administration, it yields a 350EU/ml limit that the product b12 can safely contain.

to calculate the TPL for other substances administered in a similar fashion, you would have to apply both the dosing of the substance and it's concentration to the equation to yield proper TPL, no? Similar to what's shown in example 2.

I know my math has been know to not math at the best of times....so would the real math-ers...please stand up... you know who you are 😉. Or Van...tell me what I'm missing please. Lol.

The reference to per hour goes above my head as well in how it is being used. I could take a stab but I feel it would be wildly incorrect. I was brave enough to take a gamble on the above, but not that.
 
Look at example 2 though.... with respect to calculating threshold pyrogenic limits using non intrathecal administration of b12 @1000mcg/ml concentration and a 14.3mcg/kg recommended dose from the product information. It takes into account both concentration and recommended dosage to establish the limit

So then Assuming the 5EU/kg threshold pyrogenic limit (TPL) established for such a parenteral administration, it yields a 350EU/ml limit that the product b12 can safely contain.

to calculate the TPL for other substances administered in a similar fashion, you would have to apply both the dosing of the substance and it's concentration to the equation to yield proper TPL, no? Similar to what's shown in example 2.

I know my math has been know to not math at the best of times....so would the real math-ers...please stand up... you know who you are 😉. Or Van...tell me what I'm missing please. Lol.

The reference to per hour goes above my head as well in how it is being used. I could take a stab but I feel it would be wildly incorrect. I was brave enough to take a gamble on the above, but not that.
I guess that's the way to calculate a safe dose if you know the EU/mcg in the substance being administered: take the EU/mcg number and the safe dose is whatever keeps you below that 5 EU/kg threshold.

It definitely depends on the dosing. If that concentration of endo was in a peptide typically dosed at 200 mcg or something, then you'd be fine. But the fact it's tirz, which is dosed up to 15mg makes it dangerous.

Let me try some math:

30mg = 3000mcg
2300 EU / 30,000 mcg = 0.0767 EU/mcg
Per mg: 0.0767 x 1000 = 76.7 EU/mg
Safe dose: 350 / 76.7 = 4.56mg

So a person taking an upper-limit shot of 15mg tirz would be taking in 3x the safe dose.

I read up more on the per hour aspect, and it means how much your body can clear in an hour (5 EU/kg per hour). It doesn't build up like I thought.
 
Raws are one thing- easy to test at Jano. Purity comes back 98.7% tada! I feel good but they cannot tell what the 1.3% is.

Oils are something different all together however. When I convert raws to oil I use BA & BB lab quality so I feel good about purity. Oil is MCT and that is it. No nothing else inside so my only concern on purity is the oil.

In China life is cheap- remember the melamine fiasco? I also remember a report many years ago on Viagara and a gas spectrum was done and shit I would never put into my body was there. I would absolutely love to see what comes back from a gas test on an oil. Jano can’t do it and labs than can I am thinking won’t for their own reasons.

Re-running an oil through a 22 micron filter does nothing to remove impurities.
 
Yeah I'm probably just being overly cautious. Here's the details at jano.

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Idk, now i'm paranoid... don't want to mistakenly buy from this source. unless i didnt read enough ...any other info would be great for some of us that doesn't know which to avoid... tyvm
 
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Idk, now i'm paranoid... don't want to mistakenly buy from this source. unless i didnt read enough ...any other info would be great for some of us that doesn't know which to avoid... tyvm
I'm not looking to fear-monger here. According to jano, this is the first peptide test which has ever failed for endotoxins. The vendor probably doesn't matter a whole lot. There are a handful of major labs producing peptides in China, and the vendors are just middle-men. It remains to be seen if this tirz was tainted at the lab, or during processing/packaging by the vendor. We'll have our answer if other vendors start popping for endo as well.

Even our domestic vendors are just reselling Chinese peptides. Given the premium they charge, I'd love to see our domestic guys start including sterility and endo tests along with the usual purity.
 
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