Bpc157 and TB500

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I’m posting this thread even I know we have a ton of threads appointed to these peptides, but I’d like to hear some solid word of mouth on what it’s done for you, what types of injuries it can heal, and what doses were used. I read around 1000mcg per day split into tiny doses injected with a slin pin does the trick.

I may have mentioned a while back about my stepdad who’s 70 now. Old school golden age bodybuilder . But he’s body is falling apart. I grabbed him a 400 iu kit from GH and he’s even still worried about starting it , he had 4 stints put in after a couple heart attacks, I read GH can be beneficial to his situation.

But with this injuries (back shoulders legs you name it) I’m really hoping to get him on some TRT and a light GH cycle with bpc and tb thrown in the mix.

I was wondering if a few guys could share their experience so I can read them to him.

My mom could do the shots for him I just wanna get the guy some relief . He’s a little worried about cost but I mean fuck who isn’t these days.

Is it gonna be worth it for him to try these peptides before two full out shoulder replacements ?

Her got hernias, he’s got rods in his back

And the stubborn fucker won’t stop doing upgrades around the house he’s killing himself

Pleaae let me share some anecdotal evidence and read him some success stories so I can talk him into trying it out.

Thanks guys
 
Welcome to older men who ignore their pain and continue to work and don't know another way. No whining about pain, just get it done - I respect them. Better to wear out than rust out but there are exceptions, injuries that are serious and you are doing more damage.
Anyway - I have written this multiple times but will again. I have used so much BPC157 and TB500, I have lost track but I have notes on what works for me (keep that in mind - my opinion for me and I have tried all protocols):
I do not believe 250 mcg's is enough even twice a day (if you believe in two injections a day - referring to BPC157) unless you are 100 lbs.
For the average larger man - I don't find any difference between once injection and two a day for BPC157 - I use 1 mg or 1000 mcg's a day for a specific period. Usually 2-3 months and then stop.
As for TB500 - so many options ED, EOD, every third day - I do it daily and add 1 mg in the same slin pin. Why not since it makes sense to keep a steady amount plus it reaped the most benefits. So 7,000 mcgs or 7 mg a week of both. TB500 I reduced weekly by 1 mg until I was down to nil.
I don't think you need 20 mg like many vids / people state.

What do they do - just an opinion on multiple injuries and I had a shit load of them. Achilles tendon injuries (absolutely amazing) - years of pain gone in 1 month and never came back. I inject as close to the injury as possible. Don't care if anyone says it is systemic - I go with what I feel. I did one leg at a time and the Achilles tendon I injected behind healed in 1 month and the other didn't. It was so bad I couldn't touch my toes without pain and within 1 month I was doing BW squats back to normal squats.
Other tendon/ligament issues - believe it works much better than it does for muscle injuries. Does it help muscle injuries - sure, but not to the same degree and you may need more/longer period.

There are other injectable products that help with pain/inflammation as you can't chronically take NSAIDS or Acetaminophen if you like your liver/kidneys or don't want bleeding issues.
Hope your dad is OK and things get better for him. Good on you for trying to help him.
take care,
GR
 
Goldenrod thank you. They’re having some financial constraints after a big move (he fuckingn destroyed himself during this one even with mine and my little brothers help, and was covered in bruises and limping for weeks after. I am gonna be trying to save up to get him some even though my moms trying to be all cost conscious etcetera. But I wanna see him back in his garage lifting with all his equipment again in there. I been trying to talk him into it combined with that 400iu kit from GG . 2 ius a day and even at least trying 500 mcg 5 days a week of bpc.

I’m gonna just gift it to them this year at Christmas if i have to. ( but I mean the man just bought himself a beautiful ‘06 soft top cherry red vette with 25k miles on it. He does have the money they’re just trying to be frugal to fix up the house they just got
 
Jabroni said:
Goldenrod thank you. They’re having some financial constraints after a big move (he fuckingn destroyed himself during this one even with mine and my little brothers help, and was covered in bruises and limping for weeks after. I am gonna be trying to save up to get him some even though my moms trying to be all cost conscious etcetera. But I wanna see him back in his garage lifting with all his equipment again in there. I been trying to talk him into it combined with that 400iu kit from GG . 2 ius a day and even at least trying 500 mcg 5 days a week of bpc.

I’m gonna just gift it to them this year at Christmas if i have to. ( but I mean the man just bought himself a beautiful ‘06 soft top cherry red vette with 25k miles on it. He does have the money they’re just trying to be frugal to fix up the house they just got
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I get it - priorities for both of them. You can't change a stubborn man in their 70's. My father worked in the woods in New York cutting down trees and to this day with a knee replacement, bad back, and arthritis - he is out moving snow, cutting down trees, on his roof working on repairs, etc. He can still surprise me with the amount he can lift - old man strength lol (not weights / just work outside after I block up a tree). He pays for it though and I did get him on BPC157 but that was all he was willing to take.
I am happy to do it for him and often have to tell him to sit down and let me help, but it has been my experience - men of that era have incredible work ethics, went through shit we have not (war, physical/hard work - that pays according to what you do/not by the hour), and are stubborn.

Anyway, I would forget the growth hormone for now unless he has a physical/blood work done as IGF makes everything grow faster - your body might fight off cancer cell - apoptosis, but with too much IGF chances are they will grow. Get his testosterone / hormonal levels checked and I see no issues with BPC157 and a low dose of test. I found TRT great for pain and helping me when my test was below the normal parameters but I am no where near 70 so it may take him a while. Good idea to gift him some but I would be careful due to his age, and make sure he sees a doctor and gets blood work done or is willing to pay for it himself.

Good luck with your Dad - he is lucky to have you.
 
Its worth it imo, they fixed issues I wasnt even trying to fix..lol. 500mcg twice a day would be my go to. But that can be alot of pins for someone not use to it. Tb500 seemed to give the relief, but bpc fixed the issues.
 
Goldenrod said:
I get it - priorities for both of them. You can't change a stubborn man in their 70's. My father worked in the woods in New York cutting down trees and to this day with a knee replacement, bad back, and arthritis - he is out moving snow, cutting down trees, on his roof working on repairs, etc. He can still surprise me with the amount he can lift - old man strength lol (not weights / just work outside after I block up a tree). He pays for it though and I did get him on BPC157 but that was all he was willing to take.
I am happy to do it for him and often have to tell him to sit down and let me help, but it has been my experience - men of that era have incredible work ethics, went through shit we have not (war, physical/hard work - that pays according to what you do/not by the hour), and are stubborn.

Anyway, I would forget the growth hormone for now unless he has a physical/blood work done as IGF makes everything grow faster - your body might fight off cancer cell - apoptosis, but with too much IGF chances are they will grow. Get his testosterone / hormonal levels checked and I see no issues with BPC157 and a low dose of test. I found TRT great for pain and helping me when my test was below the normal parameters but I am no where near 70 so it may take him a while. Good idea to gift him some but I would be careful due to his age, and make sure he sees a doctor and gets blood work done or is willing to pay for it himself.

Good luck with your Dad - he is lucky to have you.
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I offer him all the time man he just wants to make sure the dr says it’s okay etc. been not going for enough physicals and check up’s. you think the GH might not help for this one? @Goldenrod
 
Jabroni said:
I offer him all the time man he just wants to make sure the dr says it’s okay etc. been not going for enough physicals and check up’s. you think the GH might not help for this one? @Goldenrod
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I think HGH (script) can help him but not without supervision (considering his age) of a qualified doctor. I am sure you know bodybuilders want higher IGF for muscle growth but it also is like pouring gas on a fire for a cancer cell which the body may just kill but the additional IGF makes a slow growing cancer, grow much faster.
They can do blood tests to check for tumours, regular prostate checks - considering his age as we will all have prostate issues at some point, and keep track of his general health.
If he is not willing to do this with a doctor's knowledge and supervision, I would not give it to him and I would not use generics. Just a personal choice - and I know there are great generics out there but I do not believe they are as good / less side effects than script HGH.
I am only thinking of his long term health - plus the cost will be obscene as I did script HGH for years and spent a lot of cash doing so but it helped heal injuries, work out harder/longer without injuries. Yes, it will help him the question is at what cost (health cost) without a doctor checking to make sure they can monitor his health markers. Just my conservative nature.
He may feel a shorter life with no pain and healing injuries is worth it (I sort of agree with that) but I still wouldn't do it without a doc's supervision - one who understands GH.
Go to a anti-aging clinic and most would dole out HGH to older gents and they would check his IGF. My question would be - how much will they continue with supervision of his health as they are a for profit company who makes money pushing they HGH. Just things to consider but it is his decision.
 
I’m completely clueless about peptides. I’ve been looking into the healing blend as I’ve got multiple injuries being 50+ years old. Slap 2 labrum tear, meniscus tear, L5-S1, etc, etc.

So here’s the thing. I’m also a cancer survivor (colon, 2018) and from what I have found out using grok mainly, I should not risk it.

Anyone have any advice on this particular issue?

Thanks
 
RCC said:
I’m completely clueless about peptides. I’ve been looking into the healing blend as I’ve got multiple injuries being 50+ years old. Slap 2 labrum tear, meniscus tear, L5-S1, etc, etc.

So here’s the thing. I’m also a cancer survivor (colon, 2018) and from what I have found out using grok mainly, I should not risk it.

Anyone have any advice on this particular issue?

Thanks
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A - That's a pretty wide open ask man. There are thousands of commercially available peps, tons of "experimental/research" hundreds of approved ones "medicine/drugs"
B - Given the variety some will be beneficial or harmful or safe or risky and all will be arguably a combo for all of that
C - I'm sympathetic to your situation but my advice is that your best advocate for your health is you yourself and most of the peps that come to mind for your list of issues will give you no 100% satisfying answers no matter how good a researcher you are. Most of this stuff is simply way too new no matter how long it's been around.
D - I'm not willing to give you any specific advise at this point but I will give you my Old Fart POV on risk taking. Ask yourself if you can even identify this risk you speak of. You are risking something by both action and inaction, either way one day you will likely be looking back and wondering if you made the right move. That's life. (if relevant insert some Ferris Bueller quote that I can't remember atm)
 
Hey, thanks for the reply.

I meant the two peptides in the blend only, I wasn’t asking for a total overview of all peptides. I was just curious about the cancer aspect since that’s what I found alarming as soon as I read it.

The last thing I want to do is wake up that monster.

I guess I’ll be clearing my cart until there’s more info available.
 
Been on them for about a month now for my constant knee pain and it has helped quite a bit! Both knees are cooked but my right is a lot worse so I usually just pin on my right side but the left has improved too. I have been doing 5cc of each every 2 days
 
RCC said:
Hey, thanks for the reply.

I meant the two peptides in the blend only, I wasn’t asking for a total overview of all peptides. I was just curious about the cancer aspect since that’s what I found alarming as soon as I read it.

The last thing I want to do is wake up that monster.

I guess I’ll be clearing my cart until there’s more info available.
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FWIW I totally understand being tentative, shit I'm tentative (read as paranoid) about all this shit just due to the potential for triggering something plus how the potential for disease of any sort seems to go up with age.
Knowing that you already realized that potential once ? Certainly a bear you'd not want to poke.
The tough part of course is "what if it is helpful though?"
The chatter I personally hear about that combo is the mouse study and that it encourages new blood vessels which could feed a tumour or any other "bad" thing. I'm not smart enough to know if that may or may not actually be a net positive or negative, in some situations in our bodies a better blood supply is definitely a plus.

All the best to you Sir.
 
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Given a prior cancer history, I think your caution is completely justified. With anything that may influence growth signaling or angiogenesis, the unknowns matter more than the potential upside. Pain and function are important, but so is long term peace of mind. In your shoes, I’d prioritize physician-guided options and proven rehab strategies first, then reassess down the road if better human data emerges. Respect for thinking it through instead of rolling the dice.
 
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