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Ace122

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Hey guys I’m hoping someone can help me out here.

Got bloods 4 weeks ago after cruising on 250mg for 5 months,

test was >52 nmol/L
e2 was 314 pmol/L

Added 125mg eq along with 100mg mast, kept the 250mg test the same, waited 4 weeks and got bloods.

test is now 32 nmol/L
e2 is <40 pmol/L

The test is sustanon, and I used the same vial as the first bloodwork 4 weeks ago. How is it possible my test levels dropped so much?

I pin daily at night, did bloodwork in afternoon the next day both times.
 
Ace122 said:
Hey guys I’m hoping someone can help me out here.

Got bloods 4 weeks ago after cruising on 250mg for 5 months,

test was >52 nmol/L
e2 was 314 pmol/L

Added 125mg eq along with 100mg mast, kept the 250mg test the same, waited 4 weeks and got bloods.

test is now 32 nmol/L
e2 is <40 pmol/L

The test is sustanon, and I used the same vial as the first bloodwork 4 weeks ago. How is it possible my test levels dropped so much?

I pin daily at night, did bloodwork in afternoon the next day both times.
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Yeah that’s crazy did you switch the lab or something? Oh wait nvm same vial. Yeah idk man that’s crazy I didn’t know eq and mast could do that I know it can lower e2 but it seems pretty crashed. And your test levels are now in the top physiological range. Weird though
 
Jabroni said:
Yeah that’s crazy did you switch the lab or something? Oh wait nvm same vial. Yeah idk man that’s crazy I didn’t know eq and mast could do that I know it can lower e2 but it seems pretty crashed. And your test levels are now in the top physiological range. Weird though
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Yeah I agree it's odd, my purpose for adding the eq and mast was to gauge how to dose these compounds for my blast, to see how much they would bring down my e2.

But now I'm more confused how to dose for the blast.
 
Ace122 said:
Yeah I agree it's odd, my purpose for adding the eq and mast was to gauge how to dose these compounds for my blast, to see how much they would bring down my e2.

But now I'm more confused how to dose for the blast.
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EQ is potent on my E2 as well. Like unbelievably.

700 test / 500 EQ - <40 pmol

1050 test / 300 EQ (tested about 4 weeks later) - 90 pmol

Not sure how often you’re willing/able to do bloodwork but I’d scale up your test heavily first and than make small adjustments to the EQ testing blood work every 4-6 weeks. Pain in the ass but nothing worse than having your E2 buried
 
Did you draw the bloods for the test at the same time as the first. So lets say you draw the morning after you inject the night before first time, then second time you drew blood 2 days after pinning.
 
BanditNOLIMIT said:
EQ is potent on my E2 as well. Like unbelievably.

700 test / 500 EQ - <40 pmol

1050 test / 300 EQ (tested about 4 weeks later) - 90 pmol

Not sure how often you’re willing/able to do bloodwork but I’d scale up your test heavily first and than make small adjustments to the EQ testing blood work every 4-6 weeks. Pain in the ass but nothing worse than having your E2 buried
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Thanks for the info man, I think I'm more concerend as to why my test dropped so much atm, I definitely will up my test to get my e2 back up.

In the past I just ran test and mast, had high e2 but no sides so I rolled with it.

I wanted to add EQ to keep e2 a little lower on blast but now I'm wondering if the eq has effected my test somehow..

I'm thinking I'll do this,

700mg test
315mg mast
200mg eq (EDIT: I think I’ll stay at 125mg)

what do you think? Ill be switching from test sust to test cyp from different lab just incase.

I'll get labs every 4 weeks


Sorbate said:
Did you draw the bloods for the test at the same time as the first. So lets say you draw the morning after you inject the night before first time, then second time you drew blood 2 days after pinning.
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I did the same both times, inject around 12 at night, next day did bloods in the afternoon.

I did start a new vial from same lab probably 2 weeks before my first blood work, sust has long esters so I'm wondering if the new vial I started is underdosed and the test started to slowly come down but was still high for my first bloodwork since I had just started the new vial few weeks prior? I'm really not sure what to think atm.
 
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Ace122 said:
Thanks for the info man, I think I'm more concerend as to why my test dropped so much atm, I definitely will up my test to get my e2 back up.

In the past I just ran test and mast, had high e2 but no sides so I rolled with it.

I wanted to add EQ to keep e2 a little lower on blast but now I'm wondering if the eq has effected my test somehow..

I'm thinking I'll do this,

700mg test
315mg mast
200mg eq (EDIT: I think I’ll stay at 125mg)

what do you think? Ill be switching from test sust to test cyp from different lab just incase.

I'll get labs every 4 weeks




I did the same both times, inject around 12 at night, next day did bloods in the afternoon.

I did start a new vial from same lab probably 2 weeks before my first blood work, sust has long esters so I'm wondering if the new vial I started is underdosed and the test started to slowly come down but was still high for my first bloodwork since I had just started the new vial few weeks prior? I'm really not sure what to think atm.
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Could be. Maybe go back to ethnate or cyp and wait a month and retest.
 
Sorbate said:
Could be. Maybe go back to ethnate or cyp and wait a month and retest.
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Truthfully I’ve never used sustanon after the first vial it just wasn’t for me. To many peaks and dips, gave me a lot of acne right off the bat. Too many esters for my style of cycling
 
But I do like the odd t400 blend with prop/enth/cyp which is kind of contradictory I suppose but it seems to work a bit better for me for mon/thurs shots
 
Jabroni said:
Truthfully I’ve never used sustanon after the first vial it just wasn’t for me. To many peaks and dips, gave me a lot of acne right off the bat. Too many esters for my style of cycling
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You gotta inject it eod. So might as well use prop., IMO.
 
Update here guys,

Got bloods back after an other 4 weeks

Initially my e2 was at 314 pmol on:
250mg test

No e2 sides and felt great

Then my e2 was at <40 pmol on:
250mg test
100mg mast
125mg eq

I felt terrible, no pumps and lost like 10lbs. So I’m assuming my e2 was close to zero.

Then the past 4 weeks I upped doses to try and get my e2 in range, I feel much better, pumps are back but my e2 is still only at 44 pmol on:
700mg test
360mg mast
125mg eq

Seems crazy to think EQ can still have my e2 this low at 125mg compared to the 700mg test dose.

What would you guys do next?

My line of thought is up the test to 900mg and drop the eq to like 85mg.

One thing I’m also debating is using prop to fill the rest of my dose to 900mg. I pretty sure my shbg being tanked from me crashing my e2 is the reason my total test lvls went down in my first 2 set of bloods on the 250mg test dose. I’ve been reading that prop will be more effective than long ester test when struggling with low Shbg.

What do you guys think?
 
I’ve heard of people running 1 gram of test and like 300-400 mg of eq and having e2 well below the upper range

You could always just forget about the EQ and or the mast, make your whole dose test, add an ai and throw in some growth hormone. if you want to grow you should grow like a weed
you don’t really need the eq or mast imo to be honest if you just want growth, imo at least.
 
Quap555 said:
I’ve heard of people running 1 gram of test and like 300-400 mg of eq and having e2 well below the upper range

You could always just forget about the EQ and or the mast, make your whole dose test, add an ai and throw in some growth hormone. if you want to grow you should grow like a weed
you don’t really need the eq or mast imo to be honest if you just want growth, imo at least.
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Thanks for the reply!

I’ve decided to drop the eq completely, and drop the mast to 250mg while adding in 175mg test prop with the 700mg test cyp.

I agree that u don’t need the eq or mast to grow but I had them in there to manage e2, I’ve always struggled with AIs. According to my e2 lvls on just 250mg, it’s hard to understand how this little of eq is crashing it. An other possibility is that I’m one of the rare people that actually see reduction in e2 lvls from mast. It’s well known that it’s a SERM, but there’s small percentage of ppl that it acts as an AI. I haven’t done proper bloods to test this tho as I added in the eq and mast at the sane time.

My biggest issue here is that I’m running 12iu GH daily, with my e2 so low my igf conversion won’t be that great. I want to get my e2 up asap to not miss out on this big push.

For now will add in the test prop 175mg a week, drop eq snd lower mast. It’s mast prop so in like 15 days or so I’ll do labs.

If I’m still low I’ll try hcg I guess?
 
Ace122 said:
Thanks for the reply!

I’ve decided to drop the eq completely, and drop the mast to 250mg while adding in 175mg test prop with the 700mg test cyp.

I agree that u don’t need the eq or mast to grow but I had them in there to manage e2, I’ve always struggled with AIs. According to my e2 lvls on just 250mg, it’s hard to understand how this little of eq is crashing it. An other possibility is that I’m one of the rare people that actually see reduction in e2 lvls from mast. It’s well known that it’s a SERM, but there’s small percentage of ppl that it acts as an AI. I haven’t done proper bloods to test this tho as I added in the eq and mast at the sane time.

My biggest issue here is that I’m running 12iu GH daily, with my e2 so low my igf conversion won’t be that great. I want to get my e2 up asap to not miss out on this big push.

For now will add in the test prop 175mg a week, drop eq snd lower mast. It’s mast prop so in like 15 days or so I’ll do labs.

If I’m still low I’ll try hcg I guess?
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How high do you want your e2
 
Do a reset and maybe stop throwing more drugs into the mix to fix it

I knew a guy once who would dump chemicals in his hot tub every day trying to fix it after it was all screwed up. I told him to drain it and start over, this time add in his bromine, a bit of non bromine shock after they use it.

He has had no issues since.

So run your test and add a bit of Adex once in a while when your e2 gets too high and you’ll experience the same outcome of everything being fine

Once you are all back to normal, then you can add a bit of mast wait 2 weeks and go from there, but tossing more into the mix to fix it likeky won’t work but waste more time.
 
Sorbate said:
Do a reset and maybe stop throwing more drugs into the mix to fix it

I knew a guy once who would dump chemicals in his hot tub every day trying to fix it after it was all screwed up. I told him to drain it and start over, this time add in his bromine, a bit of non bromine shock after they use it.

He has had no issues since.

So run your test and add a bit of Adex once in a while when your e2 gets too high and you’ll experience the same outcome of everything being fine

Once you are all back to normal, then you can add a bit of mast wait 2 weeks and go from there, but tossing more into the mix to fix it likeky won’t work but waste more time.
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I can see where you’re coming from but the logic behind my approach of increasing the test to raise e2 is sound. I can’t see how me tweaking the cycle would be a waste of time. I’m growing steady atm, zero negative side effects and bloodwork is perfect. Scrapping this whole run just bc I’m struggling to raise e2 would be a waste of time don’t you think?

I do appreciate the input, but realistically everything is going well as of right now, I just want my GH to get more conversion with higher e2.
 
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