Now listen here Bub.@Two Forty
You are misinterpreting and misrepresenting everything I said.
Transparency is absolutely important...however trying to get anything done in a public forum is impossible. Too many distractions, opinions and siderails. The idea is fantastic, but it simply doesn't work.
There was no attempt at validation whatsoever. You attacking the forum for zero reason and tossing blind accusations with no direction.... does, in fact, make you appear as an idiot. If you don't understand that, maybe "appear" should be removed from my comment.
When I questioned what testides provided you, I meant provide it to admin so they could investigate facts as presented. You typing in a forum provides a story, but thats it. Posts can be accepted as fact at face value...period. another reason why things should be dealt with in private until facts can be established and sorted. This method only ever creates a complete three ring shit show. You again are misrepresenting what I said in an attempt you create a narrative. The forum nor it's ownership has no fucking clue what you and testides did over the past 6 weeks. You want blind following of your story. Thats not how things work. That is not a discredit to you or your story, but it has to be vetted, not blindly accepted.
With respect to your comment about me being new. This says more than you know about who you are and hat your experience actually is on the forums. I won't expand. I dont need to.
With respect to jano. You can believe whatever you chose and that is based on what people want you to believe. He is brilliant in the sense that he saw an opportunity and he took it. He has branded himself extremely well and because of the very smart affiliations and decisions he has made, he has convinced a lot of people of a lot of things without ever showing anything.
Bottom line. Show me his accreditation to any laboratory standard endorsed by a reputable third party registrar.
It doesn't exist. Or has never ever been produced. I applaud the people involved for what they have created....but condemn those who cant apply even a minute shred of the ability to cant think critically....all because they are too blinded by attaining something they were so desperate to gain.
Again. Show me proof of any valid accreditation by a recognized registrar for his lab. Until then....your opinion based on what you've been told to believe means absolutely nothing. If that upsets you again. Too bad. Facts rule...not the feelings built on echo chambers of people who cant think or be objective. Theres a big difference between facts you know.... and what you have been shown in an effort to convince you of a truth that doesn't actually exist. He can take all the videos and show up on all the podcasts and have blind followings on forums and social media. It doesn't change the bottom line. There has never been any proof...there can't be....the process could never survive the scrutiny applied. Even if the lab somehow could be accredited. The process is conpletely flawed from an analytical perspective.
Read the responses you are referring to without emotion. You're reading them through prejudice eyes and creating conclusions that aren't there. No one here has told noobs not to employ risk mirigation or harm reduction strategies. That is twisting words and presenting have truths in attempts to crwate a narrative. I've done this far too long to get sucked into such low brow tactics. You're going to have to do better.
I absolutely believe your intention. I also support it wholeheartedly. I respect the fire and your voice. Especially to not stand down. My words were not meant to silent you. It this testides outfit isn't doing what they have said they would provide and are now being shifty about it. They should be exposed. But again, there has to be a process. I understand you have probably gotten to a point where you feel the burden of proof has been reached. But you have to allow the forum decision makers to catch up and be provided with facts to establish your story. Then objectively, the same degree of process has to be afforded to the other party. It takes time and is frustrating....but a forum just cant jump...there is a process.
If testides has done wrong or is doing wrong...they must be held accountable.
What has been provided so far in your thread aren't facts. They are simply allegations at this point. That's the problem. Im not inviting you to air your info in the open to prove anything. Its messy and always drama filled and never works well. This is what my comments about dealing with things privately until facts are established means.
Im glad that you saw an issue and took measures to address and expose things. I would never discredit you for that. I wish more people would actively advocate and demand more. It used to be more that way. These days are the days of the agreeable bro....people don't care about anything until it directly affects them. We should be more community minded. We used to be....but it's a dying trait.....both the boards but society as whole.
Lastly. Yes. I sit here and type. I am mostly old, uninformed and irrelevant these days. Maybe mostly doesn't belong in that sentence. But I've been here a very long time and have done more for these forums than most will ever even begin to understand. That really means nothing other than to address your comment. Its absolutely unfair and wildly inaccurate to paint me as some internet keyboard warrior. Im not interested in arguing over that nor do I wish it to be taken as a staemtement of importance either now, or ling ago when I was much more involved with the community at large. But you are in no position to even begin to comment about my years of investment.
My postcwas not audacious, nor was it me telling you how to do anything. You, like any member is always free to choose how you carry out your business.
It was simply a comment to assist you in steering your endeavor towards success....and addressing the unfair statements and accusations made about the forum. They were out of line and they will always be addressed....whether my language offends you or not, i dobt care.
If you continue to let your emotions lead you actions, you will rarely be successful. Measured, objective and strategic will always prevail. So with that, hopefully you can calm down a little in the interest of all, employ a process towards resolution... and work towards a successful conclusion to this issue. I will be the first one to praise your efforts and investment if fruitful. But there has to be a process.
That's too complicated.
You just gotta trust him bro.
