Maybe you can create your own Bac water company, call it Brita.Not sure if the chlorine would react with the peptides or not.
I will take your suggestion to try tap water next time
I'll let you know how it turns out.
Still missed the point I was making in my off the cuff smart ass comment.
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If anyone knows @Sorbate - he is not young, has been around a minute, and helps people all the time (and jokes around too). I think the message was received @Two Forty. You have been taking shots at members calling them names because they missed a thread you posted/insulting others because they made a comment that you disagree with.
If you don't like new members asking questions you find foolish or asking to be spoon fed info, forums are not for you.
We all started as new members at some time, and these questions will never stop. I agree, it is better if everyone reads, learns, as the info is there but people are impatient and guys who help them with risk mitigation and pointing them to the best threads / stickies are appreciated.
You have been warned already about your attitude. Please take it down a notch. Read some of @The Old Guy 's comments you liked and think about it, was he really calling all the new members dumb/and how lucky we are to have you?
Thank you
If you don't like new members asking questions you find foolish or asking to be spoon fed info, forums are not for you.
We all started as new members at some time, and these questions will never stop. I agree, it is better if everyone reads, learns, as the info is there but people are impatient and guys who help them with risk mitigation and pointing them to the best threads / stickies are appreciated.
You have been warned already about your attitude. Please take it down a notch. Read some of @The Old Guy 's comments you liked and think about it, was he really calling all the new members dumb/and how lucky we are to have you?
Thank you
Well said Goldenrod.
We are all here for a common purpose.
When we take things personally thread's and attitudes go downhill.
We all need to support each other.
I'm still wrong alot in my old age and am guilty of mud slinging at times & also taking things personally when I shouldn't have. For that I do apologize. Yep...I'm still learning.
The goals of threads on this forum, for me anyway, is to gain insight, information, and find the truth ....not to prove if I'm right or wrong.
Two forty has brought up some very interesting ideas that I'm still considering....and how to find the truths to whether they are correct or not.
This forum is on the edge of the controversial and also groundbreaking materials...we work together we make this place a powerhouse of truth and information.
We do that, we stand together and we stand tall. We all contribute.
And a little sarcasm and banter is fine if at the end of the day we are all better friends and have advanced our knowledge and our health.
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Are you talking to me? Risk mitigation is exactly what I’m preaching what are you going on about? I’m telling people to not give bad advice exactly for that reason. And one person was taking shots at me so I shot at them back. He said “witch hunt for some attention” so I told him “go read my post *** ***” so who’s the bad guy?
Also when exactly was I warned about my attitude ?
I seen testides is a sponsor on here, so know exactly why I’m getting a warning
He’s legitimately a fake lab with a banner up on this forum.
You guys should worry about taking that down. I spent the money and proved he’s a fraud and he’s still a sponsor here ? And I’m getting warnings for preaching risk mitigation?
Tell me if I’m wrong?
I won’t be here much longer it seems everyone. CAREFUL.
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I also proved one of your sponsors is a fraud. Will he be still holding a banner on this website advertising him ?
Let us ALL know.
Transparency over money, everytime.
I wonder who will get banned first.
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Taureau
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2 things
1. I make no money from any sponsor
There is a difference between a sponsor and a patron
2. Until testides address your allegations I would never just take someone's word for something. I always hear both sides before taking action
meaning ?
I have money to spend, I will send out more testing from an un known location stating it’s a certain mg when I know it’s another mg.
I will document before hand also.
I have lots of others tested through Janoshik.
Get ready for another machine break.
Stay tuned.
Ironwill is that you ??Are you talking to me? Risk mitigation is exactly what I’m preaching what are you going on about? I’m telling people to not give bad advice exactly for that reason. And one person was taking shots at me so I shot at them back. He said “witch hunt for some attention” so I told him “go read my post *** ***” so who’s the bad guy?
Also when exactly was I warned about my attitude ?
I seen testides is a sponsor on here, so know exactly why I’m getting a warning
He’s legitimately a fake lab with a banner up on this forum.
You guys should worry about taking that down. I spent the money and proved he’s a fraud and he’s still a sponsor here ? And I’m getting warnings for preaching risk mitigation?
Tell me if I’m wrong?
I won’t be here much longer it seems everyone. CAREFUL.
This thread has turned full stupid.
While some of the things 240 is saying are true. Like water is a much better growing medium for bacteria than oi.
The argument from a risk mitigation standpoint if far from full scope and not exactly a poibt that one person can hang their hat on entirely.
In many respects, it's difficult to try to raise risk mitigation arguments in a place where people source unknown illegal drugs from China and inject them in their bodies.
Saying that, trying to lower any potential risks one has control over is generally a smart move. However looking at it from the entirety of the landscape, the overall mitigation factor would be quite negligible.
I think the argument mostly remains - if seeking underground or illegal products from anyone - do as much research as possible, trust most in long established brands with excellent track records over time.
So perhaps purchasing super good A+#1 brand bac water off of Temu for 3 dollars may not be the best idea. While purchasing from a long established well known Peptide company with a good history is a much safer option.
Purchasing from a pharmaceutical company as directly or pharmacy as possible probably comes with the least risk.
But that is rarely if not always an available option due to multiple factors but most being cost and availability.
Purchasing "pharm" from grey or black market vendors come with risks as well as we all know that handling or fake products can be an issue. Now, one may argue - who fakes bac water? Not long ago, I would have no doubt said that. Now though, well....these are much different times.
Bac water is incredibly easy to make and doesn't require much sophistication. So again, there's certainly an argument that the safety alarm may be sounding off a little loudly here. Larger scale production obviously comes with increased risk....but even a complete end-user could make a good amount with some sterile water and vessels, good aseptic tecnique and some benzyl alcohol.
Again it comes down to being informed, assessing the known risk and making the appropriate informed choise for yourself
Absolutes here are an incredible fallacy.
Lastly, the garbage about being on forums and competing for a long time mean absolutely zero. Its an attempting powerplay which is the ultimate equivalency to little dick syndrome. Its stupid.
I've been around for a minute or two now. And I've learned some things along the way. But I don't know everything and there's plenty of things guys that have been around a lot less time than me know far more about.
Theres been guys around much longer than me as well.....and guess what....they're still the tools and fools they were over 20 years ago. Point is cut the power play talk....it holds no water.
You feel strongly about this obviously. Dig in. Thats OK. Guys are going to ask and pry and prod...and probably disagree.....its all part of the purpose.
Sometimes the layers around such discussions are quite nuanced and it's difficult to separate a true safety issue based on what someone is alleging vs. something else. Thats a relevant piece here perhaps but would take away from the topic at hand.
Lastly, this poibt about testides and you wild accusations concerning tge credibility of the forum.
Pinch your fucking lips for a moment.
On what planet would a forum ever see a thread like yours come up and just make a knee jerk decision based on information that has been posted with no true facts established (simply your words) without looking into the matter, speaking to both parties and make an informed decision based on facts.....not opinion.
So before you get too sassy and openly questioning the credibility of the forum...shut your mouth. You have put the cart far before the horse here and those actions negatively impact your credibility here far more than the forum.
Have you spoken to admin and showed them everything you have? I have seen zero about this other than a recent thread that was started in the forum.
What has this testides company provided you?
Has testides been able to tell their part of the story?
An investigation has to be completed. No one is just going to take your word....no matter how big of a deal you think you are.
So calm the shit. Approach admin like you want to help solve a problem....not be a complete cunt. And help work through it until objective findings based on fact can be established.
Then decisions are made.
This should be done behind the scenes where work can get done. I know guys like the idea of playing it it live in the forum but that never works. Too much emotion and nonsense to ever get to the bottom of something.
Right now....your approach makes you look like an idiot.
And ps. For argument sake....how exactly does testides results matching Janoshik results prove anything. In a way....maybe that could be good for jano....but thats another topic.
Many assumptions being made there that again - have never been proven.
Its not like Janoshik is an accredited lab with long standing records of independent third party auditing giving credibility to the lab and its procedures, equipment and processes....and therefore its results.
Everyone has just bought in to the idea that this outfit is some type of gold standard.....but know one knows why.
And that is completely absurd and ridiculous. But no one every questions that....lol.
Read this for what it is. Its not an attack on you.... its an attempt to provide some perspective to the central issue....but also to address your silly behavior demonstrated towards both the forum and its members.
Don't like that? Be better.
While some of the things 240 is saying are true. Like water is a much better growing medium for bacteria than oi.
The argument from a risk mitigation standpoint if far from full scope and not exactly a poibt that one person can hang their hat on entirely.
In many respects, it's difficult to try to raise risk mitigation arguments in a place where people source unknown illegal drugs from China and inject them in their bodies.
Saying that, trying to lower any potential risks one has control over is generally a smart move. However looking at it from the entirety of the landscape, the overall mitigation factor would be quite negligible.
I think the argument mostly remains - if seeking underground or illegal products from anyone - do as much research as possible, trust most in long established brands with excellent track records over time.
So perhaps purchasing super good A+#1 brand bac water off of Temu for 3 dollars may not be the best idea. While purchasing from a long established well known Peptide company with a good history is a much safer option.
Purchasing from a pharmaceutical company as directly or pharmacy as possible probably comes with the least risk.
But that is rarely if not always an available option due to multiple factors but most being cost and availability.
Purchasing "pharm" from grey or black market vendors come with risks as well as we all know that handling or fake products can be an issue. Now, one may argue - who fakes bac water? Not long ago, I would have no doubt said that. Now though, well....these are much different times.
Bac water is incredibly easy to make and doesn't require much sophistication. So again, there's certainly an argument that the safety alarm may be sounding off a little loudly here. Larger scale production obviously comes with increased risk....but even a complete end-user could make a good amount with some sterile water and vessels, good aseptic tecnique and some benzyl alcohol.
Again it comes down to being informed, assessing the known risk and making the appropriate informed choise for yourself
Absolutes here are an incredible fallacy.
Lastly, the garbage about being on forums and competing for a long time mean absolutely zero. Its an attempting powerplay which is the ultimate equivalency to little dick syndrome. Its stupid.
I've been around for a minute or two now. And I've learned some things along the way. But I don't know everything and there's plenty of things guys that have been around a lot less time than me know far more about.
Theres been guys around much longer than me as well.....and guess what....they're still the tools and fools they were over 20 years ago. Point is cut the power play talk....it holds no water.
You feel strongly about this obviously. Dig in. Thats OK. Guys are going to ask and pry and prod...and probably disagree.....its all part of the purpose.
Sometimes the layers around such discussions are quite nuanced and it's difficult to separate a true safety issue based on what someone is alleging vs. something else. Thats a relevant piece here perhaps but would take away from the topic at hand.
Lastly, this poibt about testides and you wild accusations concerning tge credibility of the forum.
Pinch your fucking lips for a moment.
On what planet would a forum ever see a thread like yours come up and just make a knee jerk decision based on information that has been posted with no true facts established (simply your words) without looking into the matter, speaking to both parties and make an informed decision based on facts.....not opinion.
So before you get too sassy and openly questioning the credibility of the forum...shut your mouth. You have put the cart far before the horse here and those actions negatively impact your credibility here far more than the forum.
Have you spoken to admin and showed them everything you have? I have seen zero about this other than a recent thread that was started in the forum.
What has this testides company provided you?
Has testides been able to tell their part of the story?
An investigation has to be completed. No one is just going to take your word....no matter how big of a deal you think you are.
So calm the shit. Approach admin like you want to help solve a problem....not be a complete cunt. And help work through it until objective findings based on fact can be established.
Then decisions are made.
This should be done behind the scenes where work can get done. I know guys like the idea of playing it it live in the forum but that never works. Too much emotion and nonsense to ever get to the bottom of something.
Right now....your approach makes you look like an idiot.
And ps. For argument sake....how exactly does testides results matching Janoshik results prove anything. In a way....maybe that could be good for jano....but thats another topic.
Many assumptions being made there that again - have never been proven.
Its not like Janoshik is an accredited lab with long standing records of independent third party auditing giving credibility to the lab and its procedures, equipment and processes....and therefore its results.
Everyone has just bought in to the idea that this outfit is some type of gold standard.....but know one knows why.
And that is completely absurd and ridiculous. But no one every questions that....lol.
Read this for what it is. Its not an attack on you.... its an attempt to provide some perspective to the central issue....but also to address your silly behavior demonstrated towards both the forum and its members.
Don't like that? Be better.
Yeah I was wondering also.
Taureau
Administrator
Are you talking to me? Risk mitigation is exactly what I’m preaching what are you going on about? I’m telling people to not give bad advice exactly for that reason. And one person was taking shots at me so I shot at them back. He said “witch hunt for some attention” so I told him “go read my post *** ***” so who’s the bad guy?
Also when exactly was I warned about my attitude ?
I seen testides is a sponsor on here, so know exactly why I’m getting a warning
He’s legitimately a fake lab with a banner up on this forum.
You guys should worry about taking that down. I spent the money and proved he’s a fraud and he’s still a sponsor here ? And I’m getting warnings for preaching risk mitigation?
Tell me if I’m wrong?
I won’t be here much longer it seems everyone. CAREFUL.
having a difference of opinion is something I 1000% support
bashing members or being rude is not tolerated
so from my perspective as owner of this forum treat others with respect, agree and disagree as you see fit and you have nothing to worry about
and once again with this testides business, In order to make any decision I need to hear both sides of a story. and if after hearing their side I find they are not legit then they would for sure get the boot. The fact they have not been here since march is odd to say the least.
and once again they pay me nothing for being here. I brought them on to hopefully benefit members.
I’m going to quote your topics and then respond, as I’m not very tech savvy.
First off:
“Lastly, the garbage about being on forums and competing for a long time mean absolutely zero. It’s an attempting powerplay which is the ultimate equivalency to little dick syndrome. Its stupid.”
- That was me simply quoting someone trying to show their dick is bigger than mine by telling me they’ve been on forums on forums on forums which yes, means nothing.
“What has this testides company provided you?”
“Has testides been able to tell their part of the story?”
- yes? Which is the exact reason why I posted this. Its the shear lack of information for me, and why they’re testing NON blind samples JUNE 20th -> TODAY with purity and mg (example Summits website) and the blind sample I’ve provided in late May hasn’t seen anything except identity.
They’ve also told me they can’t test blind samples anymore because it’s breaking their machine. Would love to hear some logic on this and why I need to tell them what my sample is in order to know what my sample is, but they don’t want to provide that with 6 weeks of emails.
“Right now....your approach makes you look like an idiot.”
- I don’t need validation from a forum story teller, trust me when I say that.
“This should be done behind the scenes where work can get done. I know guys like the idea of playing it it live in the forum but that never works. Too much emotion and nonsense to ever get to the bottom of something.”
- No, it shouldn’t be done behind the scenes, I’ve done enough behind the scenes and spent 6 weeks going back and forth on email, I made my observation, and I brought it to the public for them to decide. It’s very simple.
“And ps. For argument sake....how exactly does testides results matching Janoshik results prove anything. In a way....maybe that could be good for jano....but thats another topic
“Everyone has just bought in to the idea that this outfit is some type of gold standard.....but know one knows why.”
- You must really be new to the UGL scene eh?
You compare the best with the up-coming. It’s an incredibly simple concept. There has to be a reference point from THE best. Other wise there is none at all. This shouldn’t even be a question.
Janoshik is the best, this isn’t a question with anyone in the space who actually knows what they’re talking about, he has millions and millions of dollar worth of equipment, tours of his lab facility, has taken multiple interviews addressing concerns, one of the only legal operations looked over by a government… the list goes on. But you don’t know anything about this, as I correctly assumed.
“It’s not like Janoshik is an accredited lab with long standing records of independent third party auditing giving credibility to the lab and its procedures, equipment and processes....and therefore its results”
^ This is either some sick joke or satire. Can’t figure out which one. Have you been outside of this forum? There’s no way you said this openly to the public.
This is going to ruffle some feathers but NO offence at all to ANYONE. But from my observations, this forum seems to be on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of intelligence and knowledge and the vet vs newbie ratio is very far gone.
Responses to newbies with risk mitigation is INCREDIBLY concerning, especially coming from the so called “respected” members.
I’m not here to make friends, I don’t need friendships, I don’t need people to like me.
I’m typing to help others who really don’t know where to turn.
Trust me when I say, I don’t need your advice on what to do and how to do it.
People on this forum are blindly saying “send your tests to testides” with ZERO and I mean absolutely zero evidence they’re not opening up a PDF doc and writing down numbers on a sheet. I went out and did something about it, and guess what, odds are, it will be helping out dozens of people who actually want to know what’s inside of their vials mg/purity.
I spent the money and did something for the community, provided my thoughts, the exact scenario, the odds of each scenario; then my opinion.
You’re sitting on a forum typing words.
Then you have the audacity to try and tell me how to do it ?
Incredible.
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Well I respect the fact you’re trying to help members out, but was there any vetting process done before they were brought public ? Pictures ? Evidence ? I’m not trying to tell anyone how to anything, but lab testing is the FRONT LINE for risk mitigation and people rely massively on these testing facilities.
Once people receive the testing results they paid a small fortune for, they understandably feel a sense of relief and continue their work with confidence. But if those results are fraudulent, that confidence is dangerously misplaced. It’s like being told you don’t have melanoma when you actually do and continuing to visit tanning salons because you believe you’re safe. False test results don’t just waste money; they can lead to decisions based on misinformation, with potentially serious consequences.
Taureau
Administrator
they offered 3 free tests
I know of one lab that had them do a few tests and I never heard any negative feedback, they where happy with the results
the fact they where happy suggested to me that the testing was good
this lab tests every product so I value their opinion
I think @biguglynewf point was not well taken.
In a grey area where you are injecting unknown substances into your body you want to build a certain rapport with the vender as well as build some trust.
If I were buying product from someone that I thought had ill intentions then there is no way I’d be injecting that product. That being said you assume all the risk by doing this as there won’t be a lawsuit happening against an underground lab.
If there is any concern about the validity of the product or supplier don’t buy it.
If I have to test products as I’m not sure what I’m getting or how much I’m not going to buy it.
I’m not sure why testing has become so important as many guys here survived the 90s when there were more fakes than real.
@Two Forty Ill be the first to say I believe I think what you are trying to do is noble but with no defence from the other side it’s a bit of a witch hunt.
Is testides in fact fake, that’s quite possible. It would be good for them to tell their side of the story.
@Testides-Lab ?
In a grey area where you are injecting unknown substances into your body you want to build a certain rapport with the vender as well as build some trust.
If I were buying product from someone that I thought had ill intentions then there is no way I’d be injecting that product. That being said you assume all the risk by doing this as there won’t be a lawsuit happening against an underground lab.
If there is any concern about the validity of the product or supplier don’t buy it.
If I have to test products as I’m not sure what I’m getting or how much I’m not going to buy it.
I’m not sure why testing has become so important as many guys here survived the 90s when there were more fakes than real.
@Two Forty Ill be the first to say I believe I think what you are trying to do is noble but with no defence from the other side it’s a bit of a witch hunt.
Is testides in fact fake, that’s quite possible. It would be good for them to tell their side of the story.
@Testides-Lab ?