I’m sorry if im being a douchebag to everyone but we can’t ignore logic and pretend that the pros you guys look up to are saints and don’t lie.
Also, some people need higher doses reletive to their own genetics to grow. Some people can HANDLE higher doses because their body is super resilient.
I laughed when that fucktard with a mouth full of popcorn is acting like people with genetic resilience to drugs have never been seen before. LITTERALY ANY OPEN PRO. For other drug addicts, take a look at Izzy Osborn. Literally proven he was genetically capable of handling drugs. You and your popcorn can Go fuck yourself
@hericlitus
Tren4evah, sure I could lock the thread. You could un-delete your comments insulting people which I can see. Are you calling
@Heraclitus a retard.
You may not like what people are saying, but it is best to keep your sarcastic comments and insults to yourself. Sure
@biguglynewf gave it back to you but you started taking shot at him.
@Heraclitus He is one of the brighter members on this forum and a regular contributor. Using examples of people who can abuse whatever and are OK, doesn't make one iota of difference compared to what you are trying to justify.
If you want this thread to stop, stop commenting and trying to justify what you are doing with examples or analogies that make no sense.
I started this thread so people do not think taking 4 17α-Alkylated orals is a good idea with or without what most people consider a harsh and large injectable cycle too.
No one will argue some people are more adaptable to higher dosages. No one knows what any power lifter/strongman/guys who are 300 lbs ripped on stage took except the person themselves. Do they lie - of course.
Just look at John Meadows and the plethora of body builders who dies before 50 and preached health (look at all the RIP threads or the people who are not dead yet, but their health is terrible). Mountain Dog was known for some incredible training programs and a sin he is not with us, he was great to read.
@Bigbear - you should undue your deleted comment as it is true.
Say what you like, but what you are doing is reckless - that is my point and only reason for the post. Lots of guys will take 2.5 grams of gear including tren.
I wish another member who had to stop abusing drugs due to health reasons, left for a long time, got his health back, and is taking less but looks great. If I had more coffee, I would remember his name. It will come to me -
@biguglynewf - remember he won the Charlie Sheen award on CJM one year and is here a lot. Nice guy, lots of experience, and pushes the envelope and speaks the truth. Apologies to that member as he is great guy for helping people too.
Have you not noticed all the people who are dying or having heart attacks/strokes and are bodybuilders making the news. Keep telling yourself you are immune to abuse - eventually you body will tell you to stop if you push the envelope with cycles like you are doing over and over again. No one knows if they were taking other drug but we do not talk about illegal drugs (outside PED's and legal drugs like marijuana) on this forum. It is a rule.
The guys who win on the big stage no doubt are pushing the limit with steroids or other compounds, but I many need more as they are not as clinical about use like
@BanditNOLIMIT - have a coach, weigh their food and track growth/cutting with food, train harder than most people, and even keep track of their sleep to ensure recovery, not to mention a close eye on digestion. Hence my comment on his log about getting ready to compete.
@BanditNOLIMIT - I can't answer your question because everyone is different regarding how much is too much, but I don't think you would argue that the 4 extremely liver harsh orals taken in this plan is a good idea.
I already mentioned I could not take what you do - but you are younger, we don't have the same goals lifting weights/training/PED usage. I enjoyed your log, and while I thought you took a lot of different products - I don't ever recall you taking 4 extreme liver toxic compounds at the same time.
No one can predict the future for anyone, the best you can do it track your health know and do what you can to mitigate risk. I agree I think this thread is coming to an end, but my point again is for new members not to read what
@Tren4Evah is doing as normal. For the average guy you are really pushing the envelope and predict many who do anything similar will end up in the ER with liver issues and their blood work will be terrible.
@Tren4Evah - one of the reasons there are so many comments is due to you starting with massive abuse at 15, parents didn't notice your incredible growth, all the scans you say about micro/macro changes which I don't buy, extensive herb/supplement knowledge at 15, etc., etc.
This was never meant, from my perspective to shit on you - just a warning to guys who start the PED road, start small and see how you respond. What they do from there is their business but no one should be taking the 4 extremely liver harsh orals you are taking at the same time. I still stand behind that comment. I said you do what you want, but it consider a sage warning to other people who do not research products.
As I said or I am full of shit and don't know what I am talking about.
