Abnormal PED usage

Sooooooo… how often did he do organ imaging and how pristine were his results bub

Because all of the organ imaging I have gotten in January are perfect. Normal size, full function, no abnormalities. Do I need to bold the letters for you? Not trying to be a dick but I don’t think you know what that means. If the organs are perfect function, normal size, no abnormalities etc, and I stop gear. 20 years later my left testicle isn’t going to go “hey haha remember when you took tren? I’m going to turn black and fall off lol” in the span of 3 months. I say 3 months since I get organ imaging every 3 months. Echos. You name it.
Hmmmm. Bub? But..... you're not angry at anyone right? Just a cunt then, I suppose? Good. I'm a cunt as well, and have been for many years.

You want to know what red did? Ask him. You may be surprised you condescending little twat. But that's not what this is about, is it? Nice try arguing away from the point though. That won't work on me, so back to you and your poor decisions...

I'm sure you're a perfect picture of absolute health if what are claiming is true...

There is zero chance of that being true...Ive done this too long and know otherwise....well....assuming you're not just making it all up to be awesome on the internet? I hope that's it to be honest.
Either way....it doesn't matter. What you claim you are doing is absolutely stupid and completely undefendable...but hey, you got the organ scans to prove you're completely immune to this level of fucktard.... congratulations...just wait.

And of course...carry on then....gotsta get back to that old lbm...its super-duper important, im sure....everyone has been waiting for you to get back there... lol...

I don't care....don't listen....Again...its your life. I'm glad you are so different than everyone else and that aas abuse has no negative impacts on your organs as your scans show. You must be almost there!

Please nobody listen to anything this fucko says. He's at best, a troll....

...At worst, he's a complete liability who has no business sharing his poor choices.... and obviously has no idea what my comments were even about in the first place...if he had, this thread could have taken a far different direction. Too late. We chose a different direction.

Sigh....now tell me again how I'm a fool and a cunt for advocating for balance and longevity..... it will most definitely land well with the informed members I'm sure.
 
Hmmmm. Bub? But..... you're not angry at anyone right? Just a cunt then, I suppose? Good. I'm a cunt as well, and have been for many years.

You want to know what red did? Ask him. You may be surprised you condescending little twat. But that's not what this is about, is it? Nice try arguing away from the point though. That won't work on me, so back to you and your poor decisions...

I'm sure you're a perfect picture of absolute health if what are claiming is true...

There is zero chance of that being true...Ive done this too long and know otherwise....well....assuming you're not just making it all up to be awesome on the internet? I hope that's it to be honest.
Either way....it doesn't matter. What you claim you are doing is absolutely stupid and completely undefendable...but hey, you got the organ scans to prove you're completely immune to this level of fucktard.... congratulations...just wait.

And of course...carry on then....gotsta get back to that old lbm...its super-duper important, im sure....everyone has been waiting for you to get back there... lol...

I don't care....don't listen....Again...its your life. I'm glad you are so different than everyone else and that aas abuse has no negative impacts on your organs as your scans show. You must be almost there!

Please nobody listen to anything this fucko says. He's at best, a troll....

...At worst, he's a complete liability who has no business sharing his poor choices.... and obviously has no idea what my comments were even about in the first place...if he had, this thread could have taken a far different direction. Too late. We chose a different direction.

Sigh....now tell me again how I'm a fool and a cunt for advocating for balance and longevity..... it will most definitely land well with the informed members I'm sure.
Love ya Bubs
 
I'm sure you're a perfect picture of absolute health if what are claiming is true...


Please nobody listen to anything this fucko says. He's at best, a troll....
Yup! Picture perfect…. From the neck down 😂

All vets don’t listen, it’s the poor newbies that might though.

One of my favourite movies and line from was 1981’s Escape from New York where Lee Van Cleiff was giving a speech to his followers as they were preparing to make an escape from the penitentiary- “They sent their best man and he will be leading the way (crowd cheers) on the hood of my car (crowd cheers) from the neck up! (crowd roars)

The famous wrestler Ox Baker was in that movie too!
 
I would be curious to hear what everyone constitutes as an appropriate amount of gear for someone pursuing bodybuilding competitively is. Where is the line drawn where the abuse becomes unacceptable? Can we really quantify it in any other way besides tracking health metrics that we have access to? Blood pressure, blood sugar, blood work, imaging, etc.
 
My opinion- and it is only an opinion not fact, is that everyone has a genetically gifted muscle group. Some even have two or three. Pros I believe are hyper responders to steroids plus have almost all muscle groups with genetic blessings.

Billions of people out there and if the stars and moon align….. congratulations! Even the 80’s and 90’s mass monsters didn’t take all that much and got a shit ton of results. My friend used to say “you just look at a bottle of testosterone and your back grows”. Chest, legs and hamstrings pfft crap regardless of how hard I train, eat or AAS. 500mg/wk gets me lots. Total test and deca 1,400mg/wk gets me tons and feel like shit and crash hard within months.


Henderson Thorn said to us in a small group after a seminar in 1993- “If you can’t grow like hell off 1 gram per week this is not the sport for you”
 
I would be curious to hear what everyone constitutes as an appropriate amount of gear for someone pursuing bodybuilding competitively is. Where is the line drawn where the abuse becomes unacceptable? Can we really quantify it in any other way besides tracking health metrics that we have access to? Blood pressure, blood sugar, blood work, imaging, etc.
 
Hmmmm. Bub? But..... you're not angry at anyone right? Just a cunt then, I suppose? Good. I'm a cunt as well, and have been for many years.

You want to know what red did? Ask him. You may be surprised you condescending little twat. But that's not what this is about, is it? Nice try arguing away from the point though. That won't work on me, so back to you and your poor decisions...

I'm sure you're a perfect picture of absolute health if what are claiming is true...

There is zero chance of that being true...Ive done this too long and know otherwise....well....assuming you're not just making it all up to be awesome on the internet? I hope that's it to be honest.
Either way....it doesn't matter. What you claim you are doing is absolutely stupid and completely undefendable...but hey, you got the organ scans to prove you're completely immune to this level of fucktard.... congratulations...just wait.

And of course...carry on then....gotsta get back to that old lbm...its super-duper important, im sure....everyone has been waiting for you to get back there... lol...

I don't care....don't listen....Again...its your life. I'm glad you are so different than everyone else and that aas abuse has no negative impacts on your organs as your scans show. You must be almost there!

Please nobody listen to anything this fucko says. He's at best, a troll....

...At worst, he's a complete liability who has no business sharing his poor choices.... and obviously has no idea what my comments were even about in the first place...if he had, this thread could have taken a far different direction. Too late. We chose a different direction.

Sigh....now tell me again how I'm a fool and a cunt for advocating for balance and longevity..... it will most definitely land well with the informed members I'm sure.
Hmmmm. Bub? But..... you're not angry at anyone right? Just a cunt then, I suppose? Good. I'm a cunt as well, and have been for many years.

You want to know what red did? Ask him. You may be surprised you condescending little twat. But that's not what this is about, is it? Nice try arguing away from the point though. That won't work on me, so back to you and your poor decisions...

I'm sure you're a perfect picture of absolute health if what are claiming is true...

There is zero chance of that being true...Ive done this too long and know otherwise....well....assuming you're not just making it all up to be awesome on the internet? I hope that's it to be honest.
Either way....it doesn't matter. What you claim you are doing is absolutely stupid and completely undefendable...but hey, you got the organ scans to prove you're completely immune to this level of fucktard.... congratulations...just wait.

And of course...carry on then....gotsta get back to that old lbm...its super-duper important, im sure....everyone has been waiting for you to get back there... lol...

I don't care....don't listen....Again...its your life. I'm glad you are so different than everyone else and that aas abuse has no negative impacts on your organs as your scans show. You must be almost there!

Please nobody listen to anything this fucko says. He's at best, a troll....

...At worst, he's a complete liability who has no business sharing his poor choices.... and obviously has no idea what my comments were even about in the first place...if he had, this thread could have taken a far different direction. Too late. We chose a different direction.

Sigh....now tell me again how I'm a fool and a cunt for advocating for balance and longevity..... it will most definitely land well with the informed members I'm sure.
Was waiting for you to sign on and read the condescending comments. My father's nickname is 'Bub' and he has earned it lol. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but don't believe a lot of horseshit being stated. You summed it up better than I did trying not to be a cunt when I think he is full of BS LOL.
Well said 'Bub'.
 
I would be curious to hear what everyone constitutes as an appropriate amount of gear for someone pursuing bodybuilding competitively is. Where is the line drawn where the abuse becomes unacceptable? Can we really quantify it in any other way besides tracking health metrics that we have access to? Blood pressure, blood sugar, blood work, imaging, etc.
There is no clear answer to that question....for many reasons. All of which, could have been discussed and debated. We would hear all sorts of positions, all across this spectrum. The answers will be different for all.

Assumptions of the question however must make at least two acknowledgements.

Competitive bodybuilding pursuit is perhaps not equal at all levels.

Competitors of this mindset (generally) are truly concerned with health markers and are actually monitoring them, and conversely are making choices with longevity in mind over short term success? I can only speak from my experiences, that is rare or perhaps even non existent. Maybe this has changed, as it's been a minute since I frequented this realm. Considering what was being talked about here....as I said earlier - the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Remember though, this wasn't really my point to begin with, nor is it now.
 

Good thing drug users are known to be honest about how much they take. They definitely aren’t known to downplay their usage. Get real. 300lbs stage lean. 2 grams of gear?. Are we joking? My drunk uncle says he sober, I believe him. Lee priest: 200mg deca, tried tren once. Get fucked. Lee priest also butchugged liquor and did 3 grams of coke and a bunch of Molly in one night. Definitely a conservative guy, eh?

We see these pros who train for years, diet for years and they suddenly jump up 50 lbs in the offseason going from classic to the epidomi of a mutant? because they did what? Tried a new excersise? Did a new diet plan? Worked with a new coach?

Let’s face it. Open bodybuilders are drug abusers.
 
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Good thing drug users are known to be honest about how much they take. They definitely aren’t known to downplay their usage. Get real. 300lbs stage lean. 2 grams of gear?. Are we joking? My drunk uncle says he sober, I believe him. Lee priest: 200mg deca, tried tren once. Get fucked.

We see these pros who train for years, diet for years and they suddenly jump up 50 lbs in the offseason going from classic to the epidomi of a mutant? because they did what? Tried a new excersise? Did a new diet plan? Worked with a new coach?

Let’s face it. Open bodybuilders are drug abusers.
Genetically gifted hyper responding extreme drug abusers.
Absolutely correct.
Thats exactly what open bodybuilding is.
If thats what you be, then have a go at it.
Many try few succeed, but if you dont try you will never know for sure.

All things being equal, your as big as whats in the barrel. 100% truth.
 
Genetically gifted hyper responding extreme drug abusers.
Absolutely correct.
Thats exactly what open bodybuilding is.
If thats what you be, then have a go at it.
Many try few succeed, but if you dont try you will never know for sure.

All things being equal, your as big as whats in the barrel. 100% truth.
Thank you. And no I don’t want to be an open bodybuilder. Not a glamorous life imo.

But the truth is, relative to one’s own genetics, the more test tren deca you put in your body, the more you will grow.

Some people respond better to gear but the same still holds true. The more they use, the bigger they get.

Some people respond well to low doses but can’t handle pushing up the doses past 4 5 6 grams. They can’t be a pro.

A pro is someone who enjoys living like a dog, taking drugs, resilient to high abuse on the body and responds well to drugs. Plain and simple
 
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