Abnormal PED usage

Goldenrod

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@Tren4Evah - I am writing this with your health in mind but have to call it as I see it - you are being reckless. You have been open with your mind blowing harsh / massive dosages of PED's. Most people are not, good on you for being honest. You ststed at 15 to understand what supplements to take and were taking them, get 1/4 scans per year, do a lot of blood work and if you do - I applaud this. The cost for scans alone if you pick the least expensive (ultrasounds and you can't just get one, a doctor has to request it to a pay for clinic, as no Province in Canada is going to do quarterly scans for someone who is abusing drugs. They may do it for someone with a serious issue and requires monitoring) is $4,000 per year. If you are taking supplements to protect your liver, heart and kidneys which for the love of fuck - I hope you are, the cost can be more than the cost of steroids.
You stated you learned your lesson and stopped the massive cycles, but I disagree and members here should not think what you are posting is normal. I am not a gatekeeper - you do you - none of my business, but I do care about the health of the members here and what some members are doing is not normal. If you are getting ready for a competition and are making money on your body, I have more understanding for people who take higher amounts. If you are an average guy who trains and wants to look great - there are much healthier ways to do it with steroids. Speak with @Funnyman and he can help you achieve your goals in a healthy manner.

You recently wrote about taking tren, test, and masteron, and believe HGH in high dosages (albeit I don't recall any comment about insulin). I will ignore any comments about HGH as I can't recall this for sure.
You stated your planned cycle or cycle you are taking (did you ever take a break to let your organs recover) is 1000 test e, 550 eq, 500 tren e, 420 mast p. OK, that is a big injectable cycle and you plan to add in 2 17α-alkylated orals. One being considered the most toxic oral available - superdrol. Do a quick search of steroids and hospitalizations and superdrol comes up more than anything else. Most people spended months in the hospital but did live. They just ended up with damaged livers. You added superdrol and winny I believe if I read correct.
Now you just noted on chat you are adding cheque drops and mtren. Just lower dosages preworkout. You are taking multiple orals that are noted as having severe liver toxicity. You may have organs of steel and can get away with this, and if you can, I am jealous.
Lower dosages and preworkout does not mean less harsh when added to 2 more 17α-alkylated orals, and 2500 mg of injectables. Injectables (as long as not an oral that just skips the first by pass through the liver made into an injectable) are usually less harsh but tren is arbuably the harshest injectable.

Do what you want and this isn't to embarass you as who gives a shit what I think. You do what you want, but any young people who reads this, please do not think this is normal.
I wish you the best luck with this and I mean that. I am not writing this with the intention of pointing you out, but you are open about what you do.

If you find my comments offensive, rip into me and speak your mind as you won't hurt my feelings. @Taureau asked me to help out on the forum and I consider this important. Not the best comments for sales with labs, but I am thinking of people not fucking their life up. Lose your health and you have nothing.
 
I have seen many a bro kick the bucket now. Nothing wrong with your saying. He is actually lucky someone says something from the heart. In reality the amounts he purposes will feel like God awful shit within 3mths max (I’ve done lots 😉) and will beg God he didn’t do it. Good thing he is young and won’t suffer what many of my buddies do now-2 dead from heart attacks and 2 from cancer. We all started in the early 90’s. I stopped they did not.

Im having an extremely difficult time climbing 5 flights of stairs now. Get a crushing sensation like someone is best hugging me from behind, sweats and faint. Yup! No cancer from recent tests! Let’s see what comes back when I get back to Canada a d let my doctor know.

By the way guys, I had a stress ECG in August of 2022 at 50. The doctor said “You have an incredible ability to do work” They didn’t find anything wrong with me yet the above is happening now.
 
I really appreciate the message.

Ran superdrol at 100mg before. Why? I have no idea. But my bloodwork was fine albeit I had temporary elevated ast and alt but my other liver markers were fine. The superdrol was from a reputable source.
Not running it anywhere near that amount though anymore.

No I do not take hgh, I never have. I believe you are getting me confused with another member also on 2+ grams of gear. I’m not being racist in anyway when I say this but he is the black member who is in his 40’s to 50’s . He’s the one taking high hgh doses. 20Iu or something I believe. And no im not trying to call him out or something lol. I have no reason to.

Edit: his name is @powerpeptidesrep


Plan is to only run these high doses until I get back up to my previous lbm weight, where I will then cruise on my trt, 200mg per week for equal time off as I was on. I will then run short pushes where the mg dosage will be around 1 gram.

I’m not sure why my body handles these dosages. I have been up to 7g a week in the past. (I AM BOT PROUD OF IT) but I came out damage free.) so yes, be jealous of my organs.
Not sure if there’s any truth to these but 2-3 generations of men in my family were on steroids, maybe it made me more tolerant to steroidy?? I was conceived on a cycle as far as I am aware haha. Test winny im pretty sure lol.
 
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What are @Tren4Evah 's goals?

If he wants to be a competitive bodybuilder, it's a game of push and pull that requires a level of self awareness and maturity. If you want to be a competitive bodybuilder with average genetics, there will be times where you need to push the envelope. On the other hand, you need to be mature enough to understand that you can't red line your body for a decade and walk away unscathed. You need to strategically plan phases to maximize your pushes but also allow for enough time "off" to manage your health to the best of your ability.

Just remember you will never get back what you put into this shit. Not even close. Make sure you're passionate about this lifestyle and are doing it for the right reasons.
 
@Goldenrod ,Good job man.
This post should be mandatory reading for new members.
Obviously the majority of us here enjoy the benefits of PED use, but it needs to be done responsibly. Young people coming here to learn need to know that there is a huge difference between using PED as a tool and being a straight up junkie.
I am guilty of abusing it a couple of times myself, but not to the extreme that i read in some of these guys cycles. I also learned that the extra really gave no real positive benefits for me. Sure, i could throw another 50lbs on the bar, and all that does is tear my tendons and joints to pieces. Hard to breathe. Terrible sleep. Hold way too much water. Etc. Fuck that. The whole point of training, to me anyway, it to make my body and quality of life better and stronger, for longer.
I have been getting irritated lately reading some of the stupid ideas here. The insulin discussion really pissed me off for some reason. Its a different animal. I have used it and had a close call or two, then realized just how fucking stupid and irresponsible i was acting. Even though I was sure I was well informed and doing everything right. So I guess I could be considered a hypocrite, “dont do what I did”
But I feel different. I am a tradesman who has trained many apprentices, and a father of two kids in their 20’s.
You want to teach people how to do things correctly and efficiently, but what comes first is learning how to do things safely.
There isnt much work out there for a blind or disabled mechanic, just the same as there won’t be too many trophies or IG “followers” for a bodybuilder with a failed organs.
Anyway, I think the majority of the issues I have are videos on youtube, and then I see an idiotic cycle posted here and it set me off. Lol

So for all of you young fellas, and a couple older guys that have the grocery list of drugs, smarten the fuck up.
And anyone encouraging or normalizing the excessive drug use, get fucked.
 
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I’m not sure why my body handles these dosages. I have been up to 7g a week in the past. (I AM BOT PROUD OF IT) but I came out damage free.) so yes, be jealous of my organs.
How do you know that you came out damage free?
If a man smokes for 20 yrs, and quits with no obvious signs of damage, is it likely that the damage will show up years later and he gets older?
For me, I have abused my body in many ways over a period of 15-20 yrs. Heavy drinking, abusing hard drugs, smoking, and some stupid steroid cycles. Right now I fee like I am in the best shape of my life. But I know what I did in my past is going to be back to haunt me, and I accept the fact that I am not going to live to be very old, even though I have changed my lifestyle.
 
@Goldenrod Good post sir! I think it's important for young people/newbies to know that you don't need to be doing big blasts to get the benefits out of PED's. Slow and steady wins the race. I do agree with @BanditNOLIMIT that it also comes down to priorities. If you're a competitive bodybuilder you are going to have to constantly push the dose/food to continue to get better. So if it's that important to someone i understand the logic. At the time it was that important to me. And at least the guys now seem to really focus on trying to be as cautious/healthy as they can. @superbeast you couldn't of said it better. I'm going to be 50 in a month. The last 10 years, my eating,doses, training, lifestyle in general, has been great. Not worried about that in the slightest. The 25 years prior.......fawk me. Be as safe as you can guys.
 
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@Goldenrod ,Good job man.
This post should be mandatory reading for new members.
Obviously the majority of us here enjoy the benefits of PED use, but it needs to be done responsibly. Young people coming here to learn need to know that there is a huge difference between using PED as a tool and being a straight up junkie.
I am guilty of abusing it a couple of times myself, but not to the extreme that i read in some of these guys cycles. I also learned that the extra really gave no real positive benefits for me. Sure, i could throw another 50lbs on the bar, and all that does is tear my tendons and joints to pieces. Hard to breathe. Terrible sleep. Hold way too much water. Etc. Fuck that. The whole point of training, to me anyway, it to make my body and quality of life better and stronger, for longer.
I have been getting irritated lately reading some of the stupid ideas here. The insulin discussion really pissed me off for some reason. Its a different animal. I have used it and had a close call or two, then realized just how fucking stupid and irresponsible i was acting. Even though I was sure I was well informed and doing everything right. So I guess I could be considered a hypocrite, “dont do what I did”
But I feel different. I am a tradesman who has trained many apprentices, and a father of two kids in their 20’s.
You want to teach people how to do things correctly and efficiently, but what comes first is learning how to do things safely.
There isnt much work out there for a blind or disabled mechanic, just the same as there won’t be too many trophies or IG “followers” for a bodybuilder with a failed organs.
Anyway, I think the majority of the issues I have are videos on youtube, and then I see an idiotic cycle posted here and it set me off. Lol

So for all of you young fellas, and a couple older guys that have the grocery list of drugs, smarten the fuck up.
And anyone encouraging or normalizing the excessive drug use, get fucked.
I love the message. And yeah, for me after a certain point I don’t get any benefits either. I don’t even gain extra strength from anything really. Never have.

Side rant
I feel people don’t look that far into the future, at least in my experience and from what I’ve saw. And I agree on this being a tale of caution for new users and younger people. Sometimes people need to realize that these are drugs. Drugs that not only make you look cool and feel good in the gym, but also have a cascade of effects that can FUCK you up.

I get so pissed off when I see morons on tik tok and Instagram advise people to run outright retarded shit. Sarms, peptides, gh and letro, looksmaxxing, togi, androgenic, clavicular. All different buzzwords that rhyme with retarded. “Var and huzz”, “Coke and superdrol, let’s gamble and shit bro”

This stuff is glorified on social media. Kids come up to me in the gym and ask absurd questions. “Do you know togi?” “What do you think about tren?” “Should I take Reta?”

I used to think steroids going mainstream would be a good thing as it would show people how to use them safely etc. you know what I mean.

But it has went the exact opposite way. Now you have teenagers taking tren only and injecting random Chinese chemicals they orderd off TikTok to “looksmax”

talk over
 
I'll give it to Tren those are Insane doses I couldn't fathom yet alone tolerate. If you're doing all the proper imaging and blood work plus incorporating the antidotes well, we pick our poisons I suppose.

Remember folks, the sins of our youth catch up with age...

@Goldenrod thank you for being real and getting the message out there. Many guys will get away with this lifestyle for 10+ years until one day the body folds in like a house of cards
 
I love the message. And yeah, for me after a certain point I don’t get any benefits either. I don’t even gain extra strength from anything really. Never have.

Side rant
I feel people don’t look that far into the future, at least in my experience and from what I’ve saw. And I agree on this being a tale of caution for new users and younger people. Sometimes people need to realize that these are drugs. Drugs that not only make you look cool and feel good in the gym, but also have a cascade of effects that can FUCK you up.

I get so pissed off when I see morons on tik tok and Instagram advise people to run outright retarded shit. Sarms, peptides, gh and letro, looksmaxxing, togi, androgenic, clavicular. All different buzzwords that rhyme with retarded. “Var and huzz”, “Coke and superdrol, let’s gamble and shit bro”

This stuff is glorified on social media. Kids come up to me in the gym and ask absurd questions. “Do you know togi?” “What do you think about tren?” “Should I take Reta?”

I used to think steroids going mainstream would be a good thing as it would show people how to use them safely etc. you know what I mean.

But it has went the exact opposite way. Now you have teenagers taking tren only and injecting random Chinese chemicals they orderd off TikTok to “looksmax”

talk over
Not sure who you’re referring to but I fuckin hate togi lol I’m not sure how that moron go a following
 
I don't really go to any other forums anymore but threads like this make me proud to be a member of this one. With minor tweaking I could have written most of these posts myself.
I'll punctuate a few things real quick - Bloodwork or how you feel doesn't come that close to telling the whole story, getting old ain't for pussies and part of the reason for that is lingering regret about the choices you made earlier.
I'm 100% behind living life to the fullest and getting a lil crazy sometimes too but I talk with a lot of old heads who still display all of the false bravado "no ragrets" that they had when they were young but will confess to shedding a lot of tears nowadays when they get candid. It's easy to say what's done is done but saying "ooops" after the fact only gets a guy so far.

What if....
 
When I read this I didn't even think of it having to be addressed to anyone in particular as it really could and should just apply overall as mentioned above.

Part of the problem is YouTube, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc. because many new to the sport want to look and be like whoever they follow as of like yesterday.

Many start off with way too much of everything and then they go to the gym and then just sit there and play on their phones, chat with their buddies or take turns using the equipment like it's a friggin' jungle gym which drives me crazy when I'm actually trying to do the work and they're taking up equipment with their stupidity. Oh yes, they have to stand there and flex every chance they catch a glimpse in the mirror also or be in the way when others are trying to use the sink in the bathroom. I get it, you're suddenly huge, but please have some respect, manners and learn some gym etiquette or do your stupid shit elsewhere. They often have crappy diet and lots of terrible habits and it's all about the gear.

How about less gear, start slow and the results will still be there if you get even half of it right. I think I started with two shots of EQ (much lower doses) per week decades ago and it worked great. Then my second cycle was maybe up to three shots of Test. (again, at a way lower dose) decades ago. Both were something like eight weeks on and then completely off - nothing fancy.

Also, keep training ridiculously hard even when it's no longer blast time, don't just drop everything including the hard work until the next cycle and then repeat again.

Thank you, good luck, train safe and take care Brothers and Sisters...

OD
 
You should talk to Redrocket....its been quite a while since he's been on the boards. Some will remember him...some probably still know him.

His body tolerated high doses too....

Until it didn't....

He just had his third stroke earlier this year...

But hey, the positive is....he's finally on the list for a kidney transplant.

He's 46.
 
You should talk to Redrocket....its been quite a while since he's been on the boards. Some will remember him...some probably still know him.

His body tolerated high doses too....

Until it didn't....

He just had his third stroke earlier this year...

But hey, the positive is....he's finally on the list for a kidney transplant.

He's 46.
Fuck that sucks hearing that, I will be 46 in October and want to train as long as I can without using copious amounts of gear, longevity should be key. Do I miss being able to train balls to the wall and feel perfect a few hours later dam right I do now I'm so depleted after a session I almost need a nap now but I would miss my wife and kids more at this point in my life, safety should be everyone's goal.
 
You should talk to Redrocket....its been quite a while since he's been on the boards. Some will remember him...some probably still know him.

His body tolerated high doses too....

Until it didn't....

He just had his third stroke earlier this year...

But hey, the positive is....he's finally on the list for a kidney transplant.

He's 46.
man that’s awful.
 
You should talk to Redrocket....its been quite a while since he's been on the boards. Some will remember him...some probably still know him.

His body tolerated high doses too....

Until it didn't....

He just had his third stroke earlier this year...

But hey, the positive is....he's finally on the list for a kidney transplant.

He's 46.
How often did redrocket get bloodwork and organ imaging?
 
Fuck that sucks hearing that, I will be 46 in October and want to train as long as I can without using copious amounts of gear, longevity should be key. Do I miss being able to train balls to the wall and feel perfect a few hours later dam right I do now I'm so depleted after a session I almost need a nap now but I would miss my wife and kids more at this point in my life, safety should be everyone's goal.
10ft tall and bulletproof doesn't last forever.

Sucks. And isn't easy sometimes to see it for what it is.....then you lie to yourself, despite knowing better.

You seek and listen to things that support what you want to do.....and not what you should do.

Then, the day comes where you start making decisions in a different way because priorities change..... Or for some.... maybe it doesn't?

Sometimes guys dont push it too far - but that line is blurry and not always well defined...for a lot of reasons....its ceratinly not the same for everyone. Hopwfully they wake up before it costs a lot....sometimes they don't.

Most of us have all done it.. probably more than we would be honest about... at least some degree.

One thing that all guys should be aware of.....At some point, regardless of what you've been able to do in the past....it all catches up....and if you're not paying attention, or not being honest with yourself....it will catch up to you.

The house always wins folks....sooner or later.....and if you think you're special and above it all. You're fooling yourself....and at your own expense.

This isn't to preach responsibility at guys. I'm all for folks making their own decisions....but the need to be informed decisions and well thought out because as above....priorities will always change as you go through life.

I think red looks backs and has finally realized that he made some choices along the way that he may not again, if given a do-over.....but I also believe he has no regrets overall....he well knew the risks and made choices anyway. I just don't think he truly believed they would actually ever catch him...and even if they did, it would be ok because of what he accomplished. However, faced with his very well understood fagility and mortality....perspective has changed.

But not too much....he told me the other day he'd live to rip out a few grams of this and that....just to see what might happen....i cant help but say....at least a small, if not moderate part of me feels the same...lol.

Long winded rant fellas...just to really say...

It all come at a cost. If you don't make smart decisions with longevity in mind. ..it will catch up with you. It always does...and with better athletes than you are. Just know that, never forget that and be real with that.

It's your life and legacy... what's truly important is ultimately up to you....but theres always others that will be affected by your choices..
 
>noted on chat you are adding cheque drops and mtren

😬

Dang @Tren4Evah I didn't even know cheque drops are still a thing. I've had some good interactions with you on this board, please do take care of yourself.
 
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