Fasted Cardio Stack

Trenbolone&Cheese

Trenbolone&Cheese

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Hey bros
Trying to dial in some additions to my dreamer cutting cycle pre fasted cardio. I’m not sure some of these make a difference if ran fasted or not, for simplicity sake I would inject before fasted cardio.

Growth 4iu as normal pre-bed
1mg MOTS-C 5 days on 2 off (what I read is effective, would appreciate if someone could correct me if this is a bad dosing schedule.)
500mg Injectable L-Carnitine

Trying to wrap my head around the many pathways that can be expressed to prioritize adipose tissue being used for fuel. This would be ran with 20mg Cardarine, 2mg Reta, NMN, and ECA.

Any advice/additions/if any of this isn’t worth my time please let me know. Deficit is locked in of course, just looking to maximize everything as that’s what I do. Would be thrown in week 8 of a 20 week phase.
 
Trenbolone&Cheese said:
Hey bros
Trying to dial in some additions to my dreamer cutting cycle pre fasted cardio. I’m not sure some of these make a difference if ran fasted or not, for simplicity sake I would inject before fasted cardio.

Growth 4iu as normal pre-bed
1mg MOTS-C 5 days on 2 off (what I read is effective, would appreciate if someone could correct me if this is a bad dosing schedule.)
500mg Injectable L-Carnitine

Trying to wrap my head around the many pathways that can be expressed to prioritize adipose tissue being used for fuel. This would be ran with 20mg Cardarine, 2mg Reta, NMN, and ECA.

Any advice/additions/if any of this isn’t worth my time please let me know. Deficit is locked in of course, just looking to maximize everything as that’s what I do. Would be thrown in week 8 of a 20 week phase.
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results will come in rel well fasted,great cutting cycle man
 
Trenbolone&Cheese said:
Hey bros
Trying to dial in some additions to my dreamer cutting cycle pre fasted cardio. I’m not sure some of these make a difference if ran fasted or not, for simplicity sake I would inject before fasted cardio.

Growth 4iu as normal pre-bed
1mg MOTS-C 5 days on 2 off (what I read is effective, would appreciate if someone could correct me if this is a bad dosing schedule.)
500mg Injectable L-Carnitine

Trying to wrap my head around the many pathways that can be expressed to prioritize adipose tissue being used for fuel. This would be ran with 20mg Cardarine, 2mg Reta, NMN, and ECA.

Any advice/additions/if any of this isn’t worth my time please let me know. Deficit is locked in of course, just looking to maximize everything as that’s what I do. Would be thrown in week 8 of a 20 week phase.
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I'm just about done my cutting cycle and similar to yours. Already hit my goal weight and 3 months in so just tapering down now. Will be doing bloods soon and will start a bulk if blood work comes back good.

Cut cycle was
Trt 150mg/w
Primo 75mg
Hgh 2iu ED started @week 6
Reta 2mg 2x/w
SS31 2.5mg ED for first 6 weeks
Mots-C 3mg eod started @week 4

Hgh, SS31 and Mots-C taken 45m-60m before morning fasted cardio 5 days a week monday to Friday. Did my weight training 4-5 days a week in the evening.

Macros 200g protein, 50g fat and 150g-200g carbs. Very strick diet only whole foods for 3 months. Almost went insane!

I was actually amazed at how well this cycle went. I have dropped everything down now and just doing a cruise till endo blood work.
 
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All are good. I found motsc better at higher doses. Like 5 mg pre cardio.

I’d add to this though:

20 mg slupp332
5 mg yohimbine
Clen- doesn’t need to be fasted I just think you should have it in your fat loss stack
 
onelife said:
I'm just about done my cutting cycle and similar to yours. Already hit my goal weight and 3 months in so just tapering down now. Will be doing bloods soon and will start a bulk if blood work comes back good.

Cut cycle was
Trt 150mg/w
Primo 75mg
Hgh 2iu ED started @week 6
Reta 2mg 2x/w
SS31 2.5mg ED for first 6 weeks
Mots-C 3mg eod started @week 4

Hgh, SS31 and Mots-C taken 45m-60m before morning fasted cardio 5 days a week monday to Friday. Did my weight training 4-5 days a week in the evening.

Macros 200g protein, 50g fat and 150g-200g carbs. Very strick diet only whole foods for 3 months. Almost went insane!

I was actually amazed at how well this cycle went. I have dropped everything down now and just doing a cruise till endo blood work.
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did you find a difference in workout capacity/energy/did it feel like you were leaning out faster when you added in the mots-c?
 
JG91 said:
All are good. I found motsc better at higher doses. Like 5 mg pre cardio.

I’d add to this though:

20 mg slupp332
5 mg yohimbine
Clen- doesn’t need to be fasted I just think you should have it in your fat loss stack
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5mg pre cardio daily? i’ll have to take out a second mortgage for that hahaha.

i’ve used slu before and liked it but seems to be OOS by all my reps at any dose worth taking.

i don’t handle stims well. i also can’t sleep for shit even if i take clen at 5am and try to sleep at midnight. plus. working in healthcare, idk how well i could throw an IV in meemaw with shakey hands. if i could solve these issues id definitely add it in the last 4-6 weeks as a finisher.
 
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Trenbolone&Cheese said:
5mg pre cardio daily? i’ll have to take out a second mortgage for that hahaha.

i’ve used slu before and liked it but seems to be OOS by all my reps at any dose worth taking.

i don’t handle stims well. i also can’t sleep for shit even if i take clen at 5am and try to sleep at midnight. plus. working in healthcare, idk how well i could throw an IV in meemaw with shakey hands. if i could solve these issues id definitely add it in the last 4-6 weeks as a finisher.
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Everytime I see one of your posts about your shit sleep Im like, this guy has my fuckin brain. I use a stim free preworkout from iherb that doesnt keep me awake and then just add caffeine on wknds when workout is earlier.
 
Trenbolone&Cheese said:
5mg pre cardio daily? i’ll have to take out a second mortgage for that hahaha.

i’ve used slu before and liked it but seems to be OOS by all my reps at any dose worth taking.

i don’t handle stims well. i also can’t sleep for shit even if i take clen at 5am and try to sleep at midnight. plus. working in healthcare, idk how well i could throw an IV in meemaw with shakey hands. if i could solve these issues id definitely add it in the last 4-6 weeks as a finisher.
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Fellow nurse bro?

Ya I got my motsc from the Chinese lmao. Was worth the risk for how cheap it was. Crazy slu is out of stock, I just checked growth guys and your right.
 
JG91 said:
Fellow nurse bro?

Ya I got my motsc from the Chinese lmao. Was worth the risk for how cheap it was. Crazy slu is out of stock, I just checked growth guys and your right.
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Paramedic, so ditch nurse essentially hahaha. i’ve never looked into the chinese pep sellers, feels a bit sketchy to me. maybe i’ll drink the koolaid if it’s really that much cheaper hahaha
 
Trenbolone&Cheese said:
did you find a difference in workout capacity/energy/did it feel like you were leaning out faster when you added in the mots-c
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Trenbolone&Cheese said:
Paramedic, so ditch nurse essentially hahaha. i’ve never looked into the chinese pep sellers, feels a bit sketchy to me. maybe i’ll drink the koolaid if it’s really that much cheaper hahaha
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Its cheaper to buy Chinese and send it out for your own testing, thats how much cheaper it is.
 
T77 said:
Everytime I see one of your posts about your shit sleep Im like, this guy has my fuckin brain. I use a stim free preworkout from iherb that doesnt keep me awake and then just add caffeine on wknds when workout is earlier.
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that would be a lot smarter. i’ve just accepted as a shift worker im just never going to be well slept on rotation. i had insomnia before doing shift work as well as severe OSA. mr sandman is a real dick to me
 
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