is EQ the new Primo?

El Ronero

El Ronero

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Thankfully have a bit of a stash of primo, but from my sources it sounds like no primo in near or mid future. No masteron either...

I see EQ talked about a lot more lately, is that was most are using to keep estrogen down? Sounds like it's a lot more prone to sides and really don't like the hemocrit/RBC issues I hear about.

So what's left as options, an Ai? 20 years ago that seemed like everybody was just doing test/deca with an Ai - now it's talked about like poison.

What's a middle aged guy supposed to do if he wants to run 300-600mg test?
 
There's no rule that you can't run an AI still, if needed. I would first dial in your test dose and frequency, see how you feel and run some blood work. Have an AI on hand of course in case things get out of hand when slowly increasing test dose. There's a lot of opinions about the optimal ratio of test to estrogen, but that will be kind of individual based on feeling and sides. You'll want to really keep an eye on sex drive, water weight, nipple sensitivity on top of checking where your labs sit. Depending on what AI you end up using and how much your lipids can be affected adversely, but the same goes for primo and mast.

I haven't really answered your question but there's just some stuff to think about here and make your decision. The whole nobody runs an AI now and just run mast or primo, well those also can possibly run you sides as well. For me primo does the worse job on my lipids even in low doses, mast slowly crushes my hdl but doesn't affect my ldl much which I'm comfortable with.
 
EQ has a super long ester, has no human studies, lowers estrogen unpredictably, is potentially kidney toxic and can dangerously raise bp and rbcs. Imo it's one of the worst anabolics to run, given that it's not particularly an awesome muscle builder, while it at the same time it carries a high risk profile. At least with the likes of Anadrol and Tren, there is a similar high risk profile, but also high reward.

Primo has a medium-long length ester, has plenty of human studies, lowers estrogen in a more predictable manner than eq, and is one of the safest anabolics.

The two them are nothing alike.

I'd run Test + Deca with an AI any day all day over Test/EQ. Nothing wrong with running a bit of AI to keep yourself from growing tits my man.
 
I think @sorbat menrioned it a while ago but the biggest issue with A.i is mostly associated with high daily doses for long periods of time. Doses specifically for breast cancer and i think it was over 1mg per day etc but dont quote me on that. I think at doses we would generally run your biggest issue would be crashing your estrogen which you'd probably notice followed by increase in cholesterol and joint achs.. i think in the trt would its very frowned upon but for cycles temporarily it could be different?
 
I really dislike EQ personally it just makes me feel off. I can blast tren and no issues but eq has worse effects on my bloodwork. Primo is way better than eq for me.
 
El Ronero said:
Thankfully have a bit of a stash of primo, but from my sources it sounds like no primo in near or mid future. No masteron either...

I see EQ talked about a lot more lately, is that was most are using to keep estrogen down? Sounds like it's a lot more prone to sides and really don't like the hemocrit/RBC issues I hear about.

So what's left as options, an Ai? 20 years ago that seemed like everybody was just doing test/deca with an Ai - now it's talked about like poison.

What's a middle aged guy supposed to do if he wants to run 300-600mg test?
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EQ is not that great from my experience, has been gentle on bloodwork, lipids didn’t even move, egfr improved but on 550 test 175 eq I’ve gotten no more growth off this than I did 500 test with an ai probably won’t run it for a while again after this.

Never gotten any mental sides like anxiety or anything though.


I think my next cycle would be deca and test over this
 
Bigbear said:
I think @sorbat menrioned it a while ago but the biggest issue with A.i is mostly associated with high daily doses for long periods of time. Doses specifically for breast cancer and i think it was over 1mg per day etc but dont quote me on that. I think at doses we would generally run your biggest issue would be crashing your estrogen which you'd probably notice followed by increase in cholesterol and joint achs.. i think in the trt would its very frowned upon but for cycles temporarily it could be different?
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Not sure why they’re fear mongered, the only studies we have showing them as toxic is when they’re used in breast cancer patients slamming their estrogen to essentially 0, I’ve heard Arimidex has more permeability to the blood brain barrier than aromisin theoretically making it more neurotoxic but not sure on how legit that is
 
Gonna try it in a few months after a test primo summer. Mind u last time I did eq was 2009 and didn’t like the anxiety side. Now I’ll be watching for bp and Rbc gonna do low moderate. With a splash of deca for joints. Old man don’t need heavy loads or compounds
 
Eq only gained its massive popularity as an ai due to the dht shortages. All the forums immediately before said the same thing: ya it works but it has unwanted sides so just stick to primo.


Personally it made my hgb and hct sky rocket and cystatin c went up. All recovered since. But I’d rather spend on primo or just use an ai.
 
EQ is much cheaper than Primo, less oil volume to inject as well. Just need to find the right dose for you, as its AI effects can be potent for some people.
For me it’s great, get on with it much better than with Nandrolone.
 
El Ronero said:
Thankfully have a bit of a stash of primo, but from my sources it sounds like no primo in near or mid future. No masteron either...

I see EQ talked about a lot more lately, is that was most are using to keep estrogen down? Sounds like it's a lot more prone to sides and really don't like the hemocrit/RBC issues I hear about.

So what's left as options, an Ai? 20 years ago that seemed like everybody was just doing test/deca with an Ai - now it's talked about like poison.

What's a middle aged guy supposed to do if he wants to run 300-600mg test?
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I think some people that would have preferred primo are using Eq due to availability. But Masteron seems to be quite available and there is primo around but costly to run on doses that guys want yo run it at🤷. Im on Eq right now at 200mg a week along with 500 cypionate and 250 nandrolone. I feel awesome, endless energy and vascular as hell. Have to consciously tell myself to end workouts because i can just go. I was at lower cyp but felt like my estrogen may be low so upped to 500. I struggle with anxiety but this has not increased it at all.🤷 Ive never ran primo so can't compare. But with all the Boldenone derivatives it seems like theres even more variability than other anabolics.
 
rated_rko said:
Gonna try it in a few months after a test primo summer. Mind u last time I did eq was 2009 and didn’t like the anxiety side. Now I’ll be watching for bp and Rbc gonna do low moderate. With a splash of deca for joints. Old man don’t need heavy loads or compounds
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My body likes primo... Zero sides, blood work is excellent. Add just enough extra and helps me run test higher for periods. Last thing I want is a compound that's going to give me anxiety and fuck up my bloods. Not worth it at my age.
 
Of the three labs I've dealt with in the past few years - nobody has primo or mast. If anybody can refer a lab that does shoot me a DM.

*sorry admin if this isn't allowed - please delete if so.
 
I enjoyed EQ . But it trashed my bloodwork. Haven’t used it in a long time . Had some incredible workouts on it though. Primo probably better in the long run for sure.
 
when i was a high /higher dose guy, i had issues with eq. It always made me feel weird and it always made me super hungry.
Now that my blasts are half or less of what they once were, i actually like eq. I was able to run it last time for a while and it made my side and rear delts pop like they have never done before.
I did get bloodwork done at my family dr's after for other reasons and my rbc's were a little high but not alarming. He said to keep an eye on it. I told him i knew why and i can fix it. He know what i was talking about.
500 test/300 eq was the highest i ran it this last time. GH and a little reta was in there plus maybe a ml of this or that here and there.
Im at the age where i probably shouldnt run it, but fuck it. I will just keep it low when i do
 
T77 said:
I think some people that would have preferred primo are using Eq due to availability. But Masteron seems to be quite available and there is primo around but costly to run on doses that guys want yo run it at🤷. Im on Eq right now at 200mg a week along with 500 cypionate and 250 nandrolone. I feel awesome, endless energy and vascular as hell. Have to consciously tell myself to end workouts because i can just go. I was at lower cyp but felt like my estrogen may be low so upped to 500. I struggle with anxiety but this has not increased it at all.🤷 Ive never ran primo so can't compare. But with all the Boldenone derivatives it seems like theres even more variability than other anabolics.
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Have you tried boldenone cypionate? I tried a bit on a cycle a couple years ago but it was hard to tell how well it worked. I plan on using it with my next cycle.
 
Experimented with 1050mg/wk EQ only- no test. 5wks later pretty much nothing strength wise, no extra boners, no appetite increase, not much at all. Reputable lab. Just my experience. 250mg/wk of test I grow well.
 
CoolRick said:
Have you tried boldenone cypionate? I tried a bit on a cycle a couple years ago but it was hard to tell how well it worked. I plan on using it with my next cycle.
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I would have for the shorter ester. I didn't see any of the labs carrying it. Definitely would have preferred. Lots if Eq and DHB but never spotted the boldenone cypionate. And i looked because I had read about it in several places🤷
 
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