RED LEAF RESEARCH LABS
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Take one for the team as a lab rat and let us know if it is “ok”. Cheers mate
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Wish I could give you feedback, but have not used this company before. Every lab starts somewhere and while others may be offended by you asking before you purchase, I am not and don't believe you have to buy from another peptide supplier because they are popular. Otherwise, why are many trying Power Peptides Canada which is its infancy, and considerably lower in cost than the other peptide companies by a massive amount, but is getting good review by many respected/long term members. Why aren't the same people shitting on PPC - I could answer that question, but won't and some people shitting on you, know too.
I have no skin in the game, but this concept of buy and then ask is this stuff OK, is not very smart. Asking a question about a newer lab before you do business with them is not an unheard concept. I believe the longest running and most reputable labs started with no reputation at some point and no I am not sticking up for Red Leaf/anyone/any lab as I know nothing about them.
As for a COA, has this not been beaten to death? @biguglynewf - I am sure can chime in on the gold standard COA. A COA is a great way to obtain product info if sent in by the end user on a blind basis.
I wont go into my typical soapbox speech. However, this wont be short either....
Do your research into what COA is and what they actually mean in the circumstances. You may be quite surprised in what you find out if you look hard enough.
As with all things, employ critical thinking to make informed and objective conclusions.
Lastly, and in no way to any outfit that engages in testing to keep up with the Jones's so to speak - in a market that has increasingly demanded it...... That I understand, even though it truly establishes nothing tangible for the endusers who are demanding it...
Testing to advertise results is not QAQC, nor does it guarantee quality to the enduser. The only testing which can reasonably confirm such information, is independently submitted blind tests of products which are subject to strict collection, submission protocols coupled with proven testing methods and verified and validated instrumentation being run by competent staff to yield reproducible and repeatable results....with the whole process/equipment subject to third party auditing and calibration/reliability verification.
Practically, the UGL/black/grey market probably cant get to that standard given it's status. However, submission of enduser blind personal samples are probably the most reliable method we have access to. In the end however, those results - good or bad, can never prove or disprove anything publicly. But can be utilized by the involved individuals to make informed choices should they choose.
You have been fooled entirely if you choose to believe anything otherwise, there are no argumentswhich can hold water to the contrary.
With respect to the OP's question. Certainly valid and worth posting to observe feedback or experiences. As GR said, all outfits start somewhere. Never truly know which ones will be gems or duds....pay attention to the information you can collect and make a best informed choice.
There's generally piece of mind that comes with purchasing from established and well known outfits.....However, there's also strong arguments for a nothing ventured, nothing gained approach sometimes.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Every time, you learn something and move forward - hopefully making improvements overall along the way.
Do all the things and share what you learned. Thats one of tge foundations that the messaging boards were actually built upon.
Good luck in your endeavors and sorry I couldnt provide you with better direction with respect to your actual question.
Do your research into what COA is and what they actually mean in the circumstances. You may be quite surprised in what you find out if you look hard enough.
As with all things, employ critical thinking to make informed and objective conclusions.
Lastly, and in no way to any outfit that engages in testing to keep up with the Jones's so to speak - in a market that has increasingly demanded it...... That I understand, even though it truly establishes nothing tangible for the endusers who are demanding it...
Testing to advertise results is not QAQC, nor does it guarantee quality to the enduser. The only testing which can reasonably confirm such information, is independently submitted blind tests of products which are subject to strict collection, submission protocols coupled with proven testing methods and verified and validated instrumentation being run by competent staff to yield reproducible and repeatable results....with the whole process/equipment subject to third party auditing and calibration/reliability verification.
Practically, the UGL/black/grey market probably cant get to that standard given it's status. However, submission of enduser blind personal samples are probably the most reliable method we have access to. In the end however, those results - good or bad, can never prove or disprove anything publicly. But can be utilized by the involved individuals to make informed choices should they choose.
You have been fooled entirely if you choose to believe anything otherwise, there are no argumentswhich can hold water to the contrary.
With respect to the OP's question. Certainly valid and worth posting to observe feedback or experiences. As GR said, all outfits start somewhere. Never truly know which ones will be gems or duds....pay attention to the information you can collect and make a best informed choice.
There's generally piece of mind that comes with purchasing from established and well known outfits.....However, there's also strong arguments for a nothing ventured, nothing gained approach sometimes.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Every time, you learn something and move forward - hopefully making improvements overall along the way.
Do all the things and share what you learned. Thats one of tge foundations that the messaging boards were actually built upon.
Good luck in your endeavors and sorry I couldnt provide you with better direction with respect to your actual question.
Haven't heard of this one but that doesn't mean too much. So many new pep companies. I often see these new companies and like to do some research to see if legit and how the prices compare to ones I use or have seen positive info on. I tend to default back the GG just because by time I use the orion code than get 20% off for using bitcoin they are usually close to or cheaper than others
. That sounds like a fuckin advert
. But I have no issue with looking at other options or asking questions. The other tough thing about peptides compared to gear is you often don't have drastic effects with peps so harder to gauge if real unless you send your own sample to be tested.Thanks BGN for the response very thorough and helpful. My buld isn't dim but it's not that bright either so i'll take what you have typed into account. Thanks for all who responded.
Old friend no problem. Not sure if you recall we used to DM you helped me out when I first started in the gear game a few years back. Good to see you're still here and kicking around.
If i do i'll provide feedback for sure.
I wasn't unhappy I realized after posting in the UGL reviews that there were more folks in the Peps thread here that were asking for reviews on labs/store fronts. I fucked up though and should have asked a mod to remove my other thread. But oh well I left it and they removed it already I see. I"ll pass on the Ares labs poke there I don't need my picture in that thread. Just asking some quetions bro all good no ill will intended. From what I'm seeing I'll probably stay clear on red leaf just can't seem to find out enough info. I'm still digging as it's worth figuring out for myself or to share feedback.
Surely you realize that you've spent quite a bit of time and energy to get information on a lab no one here has even heard of, right? Seems counter productive when there's plenty of well reviewed labs already.
This is by no means an endorsement for any of them as I'm not affiliated with any lab and I have nothing to gain there, just that common sense prevails here. Well reviewed visible labs are usually a safer bet.
Nothing wrong with asking for more information either but with the industry being what it is, it naturally raises concerns from other members on why another member is either reviewing a brand we've never heard of or pressing for information. Ares labs (lol) being the latest example of this. Oddly these types of threads seem to come in clusters every couple of months or so with my pattern recognition skills I'm even more skeptical.
It's literally a few seconds for me to type. Honestly every brand out there even with reputations is still tarnished on every other site. I'm unsure why as a Canadian who is taxed already out the ass becomes a concern for us to check out other options to the masses. I get the trust issue to a degree with the schill game. But fuck me we're getting prison sexed at work from taxes, the grocery stores the gas station everywhere. Why would we not all be supporting each other to ensure we get the best fucking possible price on our gear and peps along with the best possible gear and peps. End of my quick rant we're on the same team i'm not repping, not selling, just asking I could give a flying fuck about these guys but if they have good peps at a good price i want to know or ask or find out if possible, along with others on here excluding Ares of course. Same team if i do pull the trigger how do i evne come back and say they are good bad of indifferent bahahha that's a whole new fucking thread and PITA.
You don't. Why should anyone trust you? Why should anyone trust me? Trust is more likely to built over time and from concensus rather than single one off reviews.
Look, whether you have some ulterior motive or not you're only digging the hole deeper here. Your entire post sounds like something a shill would say IMO. I mean why so defensive over something you have no vested interest in?
I tried to have a bit of fun with your post and respond I'm not that defensive it's a fucking post on a forum about a fucking lab. You're the one all bent out now. I could give a shit if you trust me or not while this is a community for folks to share information. Unless your a mod at this point you can just fak off honestly. I am old and don't give a fuck what you think about what you read in the meaning of what I typed. You're a forum cop and want to mini mod go for it. If you think I've posted something wrong take it to a mod beyond that at this point just piss off.