Tren ace beginner
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Hey man. I really don't think it's wise for you to be taking 4 different compounds all at once, especially 3 of them being tren, nandrolone and eq..... All 3 of these compounds are hard to manage, you don't want them all in one cycle without ample experience
Imo run tren at a separate time with just test.
Imo run tren at a separate time with just test.
Great advice
Have to agree with Ethan here. I know its exciting to try new things but your current cycle will already be pushing you heart, bp etc. Adding tren will multiply that system taxation with likely diminishing returns. Save it for another cycle. I tried it st the end of my last session "just to try it out". Bp blew up, no sleep, sweating like a whore. Im sure others would rock it. And that was at 1 wk of 75/wk and 1 wk of 150mg.
Stick to the test eq npp, utilize this cycle, push food well and train like a fucking man.
I’d Save the tren for a cutting cycle
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I’ve used tren during intense cuts, solely to help preserve muscle mass.
I’d Save the tren for a cutting cycle
. I’ve used tren during intense cuts, solely to help preserve muscle mass.
i’m personally not against running test npp eq, or test tren eq, but 2 19 nors at once is already a nightmare to manage without the blood thickening of EQ. stick to 1 of the 19 nors at a time.
I’m already pretty low on the NPP so maybe instead of buying another one I will try the tren I don’t take too much of the EQ only really enough to control aromatization since I don’t like using aromatase inhibitors they make me feel like garbage for the most part so far my blood pressure is pretty good at around maybe 115/70 something the only thing that raped my blood pressure was anadrol which I don’t really use anymore. On the other hand my friend did a cycle with only like 5 mg of Dbol a day and 400 test E a week and his BP was like 148/120 granted he doesn’t do cardio.
From what I have read in these threads and seen online elsewhere, skip a calendar week between the NPP and Tren Ace to allow the NPP to clear your system.
Kind of lol every time I look at it on the website, it whispers to me like the green goblin mask.
i mean if your current cycle is going well, why change it up? more doesn’t always mean better. trust me, i tried adding in 1cc of tren a week 12 weeks into my current test/eq/anavar cycle and it destroyed my mental for 2 weeks while it cleared.
what are you looking to get from the switch? great progress to be made with your current drugs. tren might make your goals come faster, but the cost is more organ stress and neurotoxicity comparatively to npp. tren might be the most yin/yang drug in our realm lol.
i’ll add for future reference (and you can call out my hypocrisy at the beginning of this reply,) try to plan your cycle out ahead of time next time. if anything, your cycle should only go off plan if you’re pulling things back due to sides or injury, not “hey i feel pretty good might as well add shit until i don’t.” also ensures you have everything on hand and no wrench can be thrown into the mix with lost packages, low supply etc.
This is true.
I forgot to ask the purpose of using Tren.
Haha, oops.
Mid cycle changes can be dicey and going 19 Nor to a known crazytrain 19 Nor is probably even more unwise. Hence my recommendation for allowing time to clear the NPP.
Way back in the day I was running pretty high doses of test, deca and eq. I added some Tren a, I took one dose at 75mg and I was a nervous wreck and had to pull it out. It scared me away from Tren for a long time, I have used Tren many times since but never with eq. I actually can't use eq anymore anyway because it spikes my BP but I don't think I'd risk that combination again myself.
So lets get the conservatism out of the way first....
Don't jump to trenbolone too early. Keep progression through doses and stronger drugs relative....otherwise....where does one go once you start jacking stacks of 3 or 4 drugs together resulting in measures in grams not milligrams? Too much too fast isn't beneficial....and more isn't always better. To a degree, yes....but then the laws of diminishing results will show and risk vs reward falls off the table entirely. Everything is situational.
So now thats out of the way....
There are no true rules about what stacks with what or how much is not enough or how much is too much.... everything is relative and dependent on multiple factors including but not limited to goals, experience level and personal preferences.
I myself, once warranted (by my informed judgement), for me have always enjoyed a test base, a nor and a dht stacked. However everything changes and ebbs and flows depending on what id like to do. I've made all kinds of stupid choices and mistakes along the way. But ive learned from each one.
A great deal of this is all informed choices but also trial and error and leaning from our mistakes and our wins.
Everyone is different and everyone is going to tell you something different.
Im not saying dont listen to others....thats kind of the entire point of having these places...especially when consensus rules. But even in such circumstances....that advice may not be correct for you. Consider it all...seek information that both confirms your bias and also discredits it...and make an informed choice. If you like the results, carry on...if you don't....change it. But always be honest with yourself....aas will.lie to you and sometimes you will find yourself explaining away things you shouldn't. It takes a smart person to maintain objectivity. Always play devil's advocate on yourself and acknowledge the thing you experience and never explain them away. That is a slippery slope and easy to get lost in.
Trends change....back in the day it was cosmopolitan to push doses and brag about how much gear you used. Many didnt tell whole truths.
Today (and I've posted on this change on multiple occasions) trends have shifted and now it's about how little you take and how often your blood work gets down. The holy grail seems to be posting about how your BP and resting HR are less than a 90lb woman rather than everyone being 240 and sub 10.
I didnt always buy it then, I dont always buy it now. But reality is - I dont care...its doesn't impact me either way. If someone is using 30 mgs of Trenbolone/wk and claiming theyre ripping ass and getting night sweats if they run more....good for them. I have my opinions but just like I think of theirs....who cares what I think? Reality is what it is.
This is not me advocating for ridiculous doses or not making smart health forward choices. Longevity is in this game outside of a very few unicorns is dominated by conservative use and good choices.
Now saying that though....ill tell you I have NEVER used Trenbolone Acetate below 300 mgs coupled with other drugs. Best for me risk v. reward probably resides somewhere around 500mgs. I've used much much snd I've used less.
In my opinion, if youre going to run the drug....run the fucking drug. If you dont want to run the drug...dont.
I am all for conservative use....However to me, this microdose culture is just the new bs nonsense.
I dont care to argue, so please dont. No one will change my mind. All drugs have therapeutic levels. And if you dont hit them, youre wasting time and resources.
I have used eq and trenbolone acetate together with both a short and long estered test base. Excellent run - always. Probably enjoyed it with the short ester test more than long....but i digress.
Will all love it, like it or thonk it's decent? No. But the only way to truly determine what works and what doesn't is finding out for yourself. And guess what, every time you think you got it figured out, it changes and away you go again.
So I cant, nor can anyone can tell you whats right and whats wrong. Or what you should do or shouldn't.
Thats your choice. But make informed choices and listen to your body and monitor your health as best you can. Make good choices when determining doses and how long you stay on. It will benefit you if longevity is of interest. Understand, if it isn't now...it probably will one day. Over time perspective changes.
But ill be damned if anyone can truly tell you what is going and what is bad...or what is wrong and what is right. That's not being truthful. Nor is it based in fact - only opinion....and it weighs no more heavy than the one I've shared here.
Generally- progress use slowly overall. Don't jump on cranking doses early on. It WILL catch up with you. Be honest with yourself with your health and if you do choose to run stronger drugs...run them. If the risks aren't sonething you wish to take on ...dont run them.
Dicking around and posting about your microdoses and 3 times a month awesome bloods and BP like a girl....is no different than the other end of the spectrum from years past and is equally ridiculous.
Only an opinion folks.....i dont care dispute and again....nor am I advocating for high stupid doses and irresponsible use. If you think thats what im saying.....youre missing the message entirely.
Too much folklore and parroting going around these days. No different than ever, just in a different manner. If you cant handle sides of a drug....the drug isn't for you. So stop fucking with it and move on to something more appropriate for yourself.
Don't jump to trenbolone too early. Keep progression through doses and stronger drugs relative....otherwise....where does one go once you start jacking stacks of 3 or 4 drugs together resulting in measures in grams not milligrams? Too much too fast isn't beneficial....and more isn't always better. To a degree, yes....but then the laws of diminishing results will show and risk vs reward falls off the table entirely. Everything is situational.
So now thats out of the way....
There are no true rules about what stacks with what or how much is not enough or how much is too much.... everything is relative and dependent on multiple factors including but not limited to goals, experience level and personal preferences.
I myself, once warranted (by my informed judgement), for me have always enjoyed a test base, a nor and a dht stacked. However everything changes and ebbs and flows depending on what id like to do. I've made all kinds of stupid choices and mistakes along the way. But ive learned from each one.
A great deal of this is all informed choices but also trial and error and leaning from our mistakes and our wins.
Everyone is different and everyone is going to tell you something different.
Im not saying dont listen to others....thats kind of the entire point of having these places...especially when consensus rules. But even in such circumstances....that advice may not be correct for you. Consider it all...seek information that both confirms your bias and also discredits it...and make an informed choice. If you like the results, carry on...if you don't....change it. But always be honest with yourself....aas will.lie to you and sometimes you will find yourself explaining away things you shouldn't. It takes a smart person to maintain objectivity. Always play devil's advocate on yourself and acknowledge the thing you experience and never explain them away. That is a slippery slope and easy to get lost in.
Trends change....back in the day it was cosmopolitan to push doses and brag about how much gear you used. Many didnt tell whole truths.
Today (and I've posted on this change on multiple occasions) trends have shifted and now it's about how little you take and how often your blood work gets down. The holy grail seems to be posting about how your BP and resting HR are less than a 90lb woman rather than everyone being 240 and sub 10.
I didnt always buy it then, I dont always buy it now. But reality is - I dont care...its doesn't impact me either way. If someone is using 30 mgs of Trenbolone/wk and claiming theyre ripping ass and getting night sweats if they run more....good for them. I have my opinions but just like I think of theirs....who cares what I think? Reality is what it is.
This is not me advocating for ridiculous doses or not making smart health forward choices. Longevity is in this game outside of a very few unicorns is dominated by conservative use and good choices.
Now saying that though....ill tell you I have NEVER used Trenbolone Acetate below 300 mgs coupled with other drugs. Best for me risk v. reward probably resides somewhere around 500mgs. I've used much much snd I've used less.
In my opinion, if youre going to run the drug....run the fucking drug. If you dont want to run the drug...dont.
I am all for conservative use....However to me, this microdose culture is just the new bs nonsense.
I dont care to argue, so please dont. No one will change my mind. All drugs have therapeutic levels. And if you dont hit them, youre wasting time and resources.
I have used eq and trenbolone acetate together with both a short and long estered test base. Excellent run - always. Probably enjoyed it with the short ester test more than long....but i digress.
Will all love it, like it or thonk it's decent? No. But the only way to truly determine what works and what doesn't is finding out for yourself. And guess what, every time you think you got it figured out, it changes and away you go again.
So I cant, nor can anyone can tell you whats right and whats wrong. Or what you should do or shouldn't.
Thats your choice. But make informed choices and listen to your body and monitor your health as best you can. Make good choices when determining doses and how long you stay on. It will benefit you if longevity is of interest. Understand, if it isn't now...it probably will one day. Over time perspective changes.
But ill be damned if anyone can truly tell you what is going and what is bad...or what is wrong and what is right. That's not being truthful. Nor is it based in fact - only opinion....and it weighs no more heavy than the one I've shared here.
Generally- progress use slowly overall. Don't jump on cranking doses early on. It WILL catch up with you. Be honest with yourself with your health and if you do choose to run stronger drugs...run them. If the risks aren't sonething you wish to take on ...dont run them.
Dicking around and posting about your microdoses and 3 times a month awesome bloods and BP like a girl....is no different than the other end of the spectrum from years past and is equally ridiculous.
Only an opinion folks.....i dont care dispute and again....nor am I advocating for high stupid doses and irresponsible use. If you think thats what im saying.....youre missing the message entirely.
Too much folklore and parroting going around these days. No different than ever, just in a different manner. If you cant handle sides of a drug....the drug isn't for you. So stop fucking with it and move on to something more appropriate for yourself.
I don't see any glaring issues with mixing all of those together, other than the possibility of it being difficult to manage and probably a waste of money.
Do I think anyone needs that kind of cycle? No, but it's not like there is some magical number of compounds someone reaches and everything gets all screwy. Some people use a small amount of tren and have a hard time (me), some people use a bit of nandrolone and have problems. So even with 2 compounds there can be some serious side effects.
Like anything else you will have to see how you react and manage accordingly.
If you do want to use it, 50-70mg / week is a good start IMO. I found that was enough to get the cosmetic effects. I never went over 100mg per week as I didn't like the side effects and will never touch the stuff again. I would not recommend using any sort of dopamine agonist as I think there's a real danger there especially with mental health.
My philosophy is to use what works well with my body (compounds and dosages) with minimal intervention from ancillaries. I usually don't need anything.
Do I think anyone needs that kind of cycle? No, but it's not like there is some magical number of compounds someone reaches and everything gets all screwy. Some people use a small amount of tren and have a hard time (me), some people use a bit of nandrolone and have problems. So even with 2 compounds there can be some serious side effects.
Like anything else you will have to see how you react and manage accordingly.
If you do want to use it, 50-70mg / week is a good start IMO. I found that was enough to get the cosmetic effects. I never went over 100mg per week as I didn't like the side effects and will never touch the stuff again. I would not recommend using any sort of dopamine agonist as I think there's a real danger there especially with mental health.
My philosophy is to use what works well with my body (compounds and dosages) with minimal intervention from ancillaries. I usually don't need anything.
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I'd start at 100mg ed... it's a decent "ruin your life" beginners dose 
It’s funny how we as a community always dodge the OP’s question and try to be saints and saviours and guide them astray from their curiosity and choices. In most cases, no one gives a fuck and they will still continue and proceed with their own plans so all the above is just useless empty chit chat. At some point, we will all suffer our choices and that’s the beauty of it, to fulfill our curiosity and learn and move accordingly in the future. So from experience, @Ethan could give a fuck or two less about all the above but his own individual curiosity and itch will always come first to try and add tren regardless if we all tell him it’s the devil in a bottle and that goes to all of us as part of our human nature. The more we try to astray from it the more we end up indulging. Paradoxical. @Ethan yes buddy load those barrels up and suffer and enjoy simultaneously. To your question, since no one is answering it, cialis, nebivolol, dapagliflozin, telmisartan, lemborexant, zopiclone, melatonin, ezetimibe, fluovaxamine and finerenone. Enjoy and remember to look in the mirror and blame yourself if anything goes wrong or you cheaped out on your ancillaries protocol. Cheers.
By this logic no one should say anything including OP.
Unless of course you're suggesting that the community as you put it exclusively become cheerleaders for irresponsible usage.
Caped crusader's posts are mostly like this.. I believe he's just making light of things, but sometimes there is a cryptic message in them as well.
You're probably right. His posts have certainly made me laugh at times. I was even going to ask him if I could be Robin but he's made too many posts that suggest sodomizing me so I had to refrain from doing that.
All jokes aside, I would not consider myself conservative and I believe in effective dosages for the application but we can't just throw caution to the wind either.