Lab results at the end of the 4th week from TeleTest.

[bc__boy]

This is what I have been doing, 300mg a week, injections E3D of testosterone ethanate 250mg. I have Nolvadex 20 mg tablets, Aromasin 25 mg tablets and enclomiphene 12.5 mg tablets.
I'm going to use this thread and it's calculations? Thanks gondar1 .

Thread 'How to adjust your AI'

Jan 28, 2019

Many assumptions made here.
Works for Adex,and Asin, I assume it works for other AI.
Formula assumes that the only change will be AI protocol and all other factors will remain constant.
I prefer to keep E2 at between 20-30 pg/ml, tons of science and personal as well as anecdotal results to support that, do some reading and make up your own mind.
Great thread here with various opinions and links - https://canadianbrawn.com/threads/some-trt-experiments-and-learnings.650/
Get Bloods. **Get the Sensitive Assay Test if at all possible, far more accurate** If you are happy with E level...

• gondar1

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Next I'm thinking of E2D for injections and lowering the dose to 200-250 mg per week? Or what would your recommend? Well here is what I have from TeleTest.
Thanks again for everyone's input.

 

[gondar1]

This is what I have been doing, 300mg a week, injections E3D of testosterone ethanate 250mg. I have Nolvadex 20 mg tablets, Aromasin 25 mg tablets and enclomiphene 12.5 mg tablets.
I'm going to use this thread and it's calculations? Thanks gondar1 .

Thread 'How to adjust your AI'

Jan 28, 2019

Many assumptions made here.
Works for Adex,and Asin, I assume it works for other AI.
Formula assumes that the only change will be AI protocol and all other factors will remain constant.
I prefer to keep E2 at between 20-30 pg/ml, tons of science and personal as well as anecdotal results to support that, do some reading and make up your own mind.
Great thread here with various opinions and links - https://canadianbrawn.com/threads/some-trt-experiments-and-learnings.650/
Get Bloods. **Get the Sensitive Assay Test if at all possible, far more accurate** If you are happy with E level...

• gondar1

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Next I'm thinking of E2D for injections and lowering the dose to 200-250 mg per week? Or what would your recommend? Well here is what I have from TeleTest.
Thanks again for everyone's input.

You might want to clarify so folks can respond better, it's unclear, to me at least, how much of the tabs you were taking and what your goals with this cycle are.
Remember that changing any of the variables invalidates that formula and it becomes a crap shoot. If you were to change your T dose or frequency you'd have to guesstimate the AI adjustment. Those adjustments you are thinking of alone could(should?) bring your E down to where you want it. Take care because you don't want to overshoot and crash E either.

Please post the sensitive E test results when they come in, that gets talked about a lot, much interest here in that I think. Not often we get to see a comparison from the same blood draw.

 

[bc__boy]

You might want to clarify so folks can respond better, it's unclear, to me at least, how much of the tabs you were taking and what your goals with this cycle are.
Remember that changing any of the variables invalidates that formula and it becomes a crap shoot. If you were to change your T dose or frequency you'd have to guesstimate the AI adjustment. Those adjustments you are thinking of alone could(should?) bring your E down to where you want it. Take care because you don't want to overshoot and crash E either.

Please post the sensitive E test results when they come in, that gets talked about a lot, much interest here in that I think. Not often we get to see a comparison from the same blood draw.

I haven't started any of the AI that are listed above, just a list of what I have on hand. I have read lowering the testosterone with more frequent injections to get my estrogen and prolactin in the normal range? Or start AI and keep everything the same? I wanted to run this cycle for 12-14 weeks to regrow the muscle that l lost when I was at physiotherapy.
The high levels of prolactin are concerning to me, I don't want to start lactating. Lol. So what AI would be the best choice for high levels of prolactin, cabergoline? I was reading some thing about using Nolvadex to help with high levels of prolactin? Or should I find some caber quick?
Thanks again for sharing your insight.

 

[RigPig]

I haven't started any of the AI that are listed above, just a list of what I have on hand. I have read lowering the testosterone with more frequent injections to get my estrogen and prolactin in the normal range? Or start AI and keep everything the same? I wanted to run this cycle for 12-14 weeks to regrow the muscle that l lost when I was at physiotherapy.
The high levels of prolactin are concerning to me, I don't want to start lactating. Lol. So what AI would be the best choice for high levels of prolactin, cabergoline? I was reading some thing about using Nolvadex to help with high levels of prolactin? Or should I find some caber quick?
Thanks again for sharing your insight.

You’re a bit all over the map and need to research the difference between AIs, SERMs and Dopamine Receptor Agonists.
You’re kind of talking about them like they’re all one and the same. They certainly are not.

 

[RigPig]

Don’t go with the kitchen sink approach, research the difference between these options, come back with some reasonable plan.
You’re prolactin is likely caused by your elevated E2, just a guess from my side but you don’t mention any 19nors in your cycle so that rules out - I wouldnt even consider prami or caber at this time

Nolva & Clomid & Eclo will block the estrogen from binding to the receptors in the breast tissue, but does not do anything about the level of estrogen in your system. These are not a solution for prolactin or high estrogen

Choosing AIs is not cut and dry either, Adex and Aromasin are somewhat easy to dial in, but Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor.
Letro is an AI but takes more finesse, it can be easily over done and crash your E2

 

[bc__boy]

Thread 'How to adjust your AI'

Jan 28, 2019

Many assumptions made here.
Works for Adex,and Asin, I assume it works for other AI.
Formula assumes that the only change will be AI protocol and all other factors will remain constant.
I prefer to keep E2 at between 20-30 pg/ml, tons of science and personal as well as anecdotal results to support that, do some reading and make up your own mind.
Great thread here with various opinions and links - https://canadianbrawn.com/threads/some-trt-experiments-and-learnings.650/
Get Bloods. **Get the Sensitive Assay Test if at all possible, far more accurate** If you are happy with E level...

• gondar1

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There is no way to figure out a starting dose for this I think? So 0.25 of Aromasin 25 mg tablet is 6.25mg E3D? That's just a stab in the dark. What do you guys think?