Say your an older lifter with healthy blood work over all is dbol off the shelf to use...older.i mean 62 but ya wouldn't think it.
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Why would it be? Pretty normal oral.
Well, i think most orals are shit to be honest and not needed. For the short period that most people run them, most "gains" are temporary at best.
Saying that, if your healthy with good liver and kidney function, short runs of dbol at a moderate/low dose are fine and can add to workout performance.
Personally i prefer anavar or winstrol while cutting and thats it.
There was a time tho when check drops and halo and oral tren were being abused cause i loved anything that made me more of a animal
Saying that, if your healthy with good liver and kidney function, short runs of dbol at a moderate/low dose are fine and can add to workout performance.
Personally i prefer anavar or winstrol while cutting and thats it.
There was a time tho when check drops and halo and oral tren were being abused cause i loved anything that made me more of a animal
I think it depends on what you're trying to achieve.. and if your organs can handle it.. only way i would touch orals these days is through injectable ones. wish someone would come out with injectable anavar!! 
I'll add to what I said previous and second this
I've done dbol, anavar, anadrol and superdrol and while the gains were pretty sweet, they are rarely permanent like injectables.
That's a quite misleading, no steroid gives "permanent" gains.
Yeah, I worded it kinda badly.
I find orals make you big fast, but it doesn't last when you come off them.
Only because they leave so quickly. If long ester injectables left as quickly they'd have the same effect.
Put simply there's no ester to sustain the levels. Even TRT has distinct advantages over being natural. So for those who blast and cruise or blast then go to TRT, they're never truly off.
My own personal experience with orals is the gains don't pick up and leave if it's solid tissue.
The thing is, it became folk lore that orals should only be run for 4 ish weeks at a time. This is where people gain water, start to make some progress then they drop them.
No concrete answer on this subject really.
There are never any absolutes and no one can really tell you if there are....one way or the other.
There a no "bad" drugs.....but there can be "bad" choices.
You have to approach each situation, be informed and have both a plan, and a plan b.
In the case you are asking....use of an oral drug like dbol can have undesirable side effects.....especially for those of us who are older and may be pre disposed for those sides compounding quickly.
It some cases though, maybe not so much.
Approach it conservatively, temper expectations, monitor risk factors and react accordingly if you see or feel things you may not like.
However, if you already know it's going to give you troubles, this is where one may say "pass" not a good fit.
For example. Dbol was always a favorite drug for me. Over time it would get my bp going so relatively short term use was on the table.
Now however, with my bp not ideal.....I'm not going to choose to use it. I know it will cause problems I dobt want, nor align with my priorities now that what's left of my hair is grey/white and I can tuck my sac into my socks.
There are never any absolutes and no one can really tell you if there are....one way or the other.
There a no "bad" drugs.....but there can be "bad" choices.
You have to approach each situation, be informed and have both a plan, and a plan b.
In the case you are asking....use of an oral drug like dbol can have undesirable side effects.....especially for those of us who are older and may be pre disposed for those sides compounding quickly.
It some cases though, maybe not so much.
Approach it conservatively, temper expectations, monitor risk factors and react accordingly if you see or feel things you may not like.
However, if you already know it's going to give you troubles, this is where one may say "pass" not a good fit.
For example. Dbol was always a favorite drug for me. Over time it would get my bp going so relatively short term use was on the table.
Now however, with my bp not ideal.....I'm not going to choose to use it. I know it will cause problems I dobt want, nor align with my priorities now that what's left of my hair is grey/white and I can tuck my sac into my socks.
History of PED use should enter into it as well, I would think. If you've got the repetitive strain on your body or 25 years of cycles....piling on with any additional organ stress might be a poor choice, but, if you're relatively new to the PED scene and otherwise healthy, that will matter quite a bit.
Our blood tests and even other basic markers like BP and whatnot don't paint us a complete picture, the years add up in ways that can be really surprising.
Our blood tests and even other basic markers like BP and whatnot don't paint us a complete picture, the years add up in ways that can be really surprising.
This is me right here.
I can still talk like im younger and care free but in reality i have to be very careful now adays
Yep I'd use dbol very low does and var at 30mg
Imo dbol is off the table. It's junk.
Go get some blood work, see where you are and take your long term health into consideration.
Even in that case it depends on the person's experience. There's quite a few including myself that got our newbie steroid gains that we kept 80% of just from a 4 week oral only cycle. And that's the "worst" case I could think of as oral only cycles aren't common anymore.
If someone were to use the oral then have a way to sustain or even advance their progress it would have still done it's job. No different than using test suspension or some other super short ester drug.
In the end it's less about the route of administration and more about how it's being applied. Either way for the most part all steroids gains are temporary unless someone continues to use the drugs, train, eat etc.
I never considered comparing ester length of orals to injectables. Totally makes sense, though. Quick acting, taken daily like an acetate. Weird the way our brains don't always correlate.