HCG and TRT dosing guide?
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strongmann
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Are you doing HCG monotherapy? Or want to run it with TRT?
kaylo
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Im already on TRT and want to introduce HCG. Im doing 175mg a week
strongmann
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How long have you been on try for? Have you done blood work to see where your estrogen is at?
strongmann
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So by adding HCG it will probably shoot up even more. So you might want to invest in some aromasin or possibly some primobolan which is really difficult to find these days. What's your weekly injection frequency with your test?
If you are doing TRT self administered, it is meant to put you into a healthy level in regard to testosterone. 175 mg is not the norm. 80-120 mg is typically where docs start and they do blood tests a few weeks in. Ask you how you feel, check the results and change the dosage based on the blood word/how you feel. 175 mg puts me way over the normal level that is considered TRT. You hear of 250 mg or higher as TRT and those are unique situations. If you took a poll of people who are diagnosed with low test, got it from a doctor, most people are started with 100 mg/week of test E or C.
Some people need more for whatever physiological reason. Get blood work done, and it will tell you where your level is now. If your goal is to have a healthy testosterone level, chances are you are well over the normal parameters. Doesn't matter if you are double the normal amount or you are blasting a gram a week, your testosterone is not in a healthy state and you are more prone to have side effects from the steroid. To qualify that statement, you are much more apt to have issues at 1 gram, but having double the normal amount of specific steroids will increase other unhealthy blood markers over time.
HCG is a 'how do you feel' from my perspective. Everyone gives you a different answer and some have a spike in estrogen from it. 250-500 mcg's 2-3 times per week.
I will always refer back to blood work after you start anything new, read the results and make changes accordingly. That is what doctors are doing and if self administered - look after your health.
This topic is too long to cover in a paragraph or two as you should be under the care of a doctor or you should start reading your ass off about why lowering one hormone raises the other. Why do some hormones try to remain in balance.
I read a few of your other posts and you are relatively new which is fine - everyone started somewhere. I would take the time/money on HCG/testosterone and hire a coach/diet oriented bodybuilder (I know most don't as the results are not as instant, but you learn to eat forever).
strongmann
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Hey!! I guess I'm a pussy too! I've also done SQ as well. Like they say.. I am what I eat!
Now though I usually do my test shots 50mg with 50mg of Primo M/W/F/S then T/T/S I'm doing HCG 500 IU's. That keeps my test at roughly 2000ng/dl and my E2 100 which is pretty optimal for me. When i take the Primo out and just run test and HCG up in the 150 to 180 in which I'll use weekly 25mg aromasin to get my E2 down to the 100 mark and that is what works for me. Now you gotta find what works for you. 
kaylo
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Ahahah yes I am a puppy when it comes to this world! 
For the TRT it was self administered for about a month, then I lucked out and now have script for 175mg a week. I've only been a month on the script and my check up with the Endocrinologist is in 2 months
I know 175 is on the high end, I imagine she will taper me down. I have a phone call with her today to see if i can get the HCG.
If not though, im ordering my own. Which is what made me make this post. I wanted a back up plan incase Doc won't hold my hand for it
But you are right! I am a little over the "Normal Range" right now. Just a smidgen
I didnt realize HCG could make someone's estrogen spike so hard so ill make sure to get my blood work as I go though, with or without Doc
Thank you Sir!
For the TRT it was self administered for about a month, then I lucked out and now have script for 175mg a week. I've only been a month on the script and my check up with the Endocrinologist is in 2 months
I know 175 is on the high end, I imagine she will taper me down. I have a phone call with her today to see if i can get the HCG.
If not though, im ordering my own. Which is what made me make this post. I wanted a back up plan incase Doc won't hold my hand for it
But you are right! I am a little over the "Normal Range" right now. Just a smidgen
I didnt realize HCG could make someone's estrogen spike so hard so ill make sure to get my blood work as I go though, with or without Doc
Thank you Sir!
strongmann
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Personally i usually go with 5000iu HCG it's Urine purified and not recombinant. It degrades fairly quick so figuratively speaking if you're doing 500 2 times weekly it'll last you 5 weeks and the 10000/ 20 weeks. I've done it both ways and i find that the 5000 in 5 weeks works better. Sad part is pharmacies only have the 10000.. I've tried to get ovidrel pen which is recombinant HCG and 6500ius and doesn't degrade as fast which is much better in my opinion. My pharmacy is out till DecemberAhahah yes I am a puppy when it comes to this world!
For the TRT it was self administered for about a month, then I lucked out and now have script for 175mg a week. I've only been a month on the script and my check up with the Endocrinologist is in 2 months
I know 175 is on the high end, I imagine she will taper me down. I have a phone call with her today to see if i can get the HCG.
If not though, im ordering my own. Which is what made me make this post. I wanted a back up plan incase Doc won't hold my hand for it
But you are right! I am a little over the "Normal Range" right now. Just a smidgen
I didnt realize HCG could make someone's estrogen spike so hard so ill make sure to get my blood work as I go though, with or without Doc
Thank you Sir!
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kaylo
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I need to Google urine purified and recombinantPersonally i usually go with 5000iu HCG cuz it's Urine purified and not recombinant. It degrades fairly quick so figuratively speaking if you're doing 1000 2-3 times weekly it'll last you 5 weeks and the 10000/ 10 weeks. I've done it both ways and i find that the 5000 in 5 weeks works better. Sad part is pharmacies only have the 10000.. I've tried to get ovidrel pen which is recombinant HCG and 6500ius and doesn't degrade as fast which is much better in my opinion. My pharmacy is out till December
And damn about degrading
But how does dosing work. Let's say 5k vial, add how many ml of Bac water to get x amount of units per 0.1
I'm looking for a dose chat at the end of the day, just can't find one
TIA
CanadianEh
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Just like test dose, hcg can be individualistic on dosing depending on your purposes.
Personally I run 500mcg EOD sub q, keeps the boys nice and full looking and helps keep everything nice and stable.
Also if you want to avoid an AI you should look at splitting your trt dose into 2x per week minimum. Personally I found splitting mine into EOD injections helped eliminate the need for AI at all.
strongmann
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So at 5000 IU and you put 2ml of back water each .1 will give 250ius. If you want 500iu then 1ml back water and that will give you 500ius. I'd rather use the 2ml method. If you want 500ius that way you'd do .2
CanadianEh
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I usually use 1 ML per 5000iu, then again I try to go for minimal injection volume.
I will say, do not use less than 1ML/5000 as high concentration HCG can have a good sting to it.
strongmann
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The only reason i use 2ml is so that i don't short myself
which i tend to do on 1mlCanadianEh
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That's a good point, worth noting for anyone new.The only reason i use 2ml is so that i don't short myself
The more bac water you reconstitute with, the easier it is to ensure accurate dosing, the tradeoff being higher injection volume.
Also, if you're buying ugl HCG make sure you know how much is in the finished vial before reconstitution. Sometimes a finished product will end up at 8000 iu or if you're lucky 11-12000 iu, which means you would need a lower/higher amount of BAC water to achieve the same concentration.