Abnormal PED usage

Mfg Eng said:
My opinion- and it is only an opinion not fact, is that everyone has a genetically gifted muscle group. Some even have two or three. Pros I believe are hyper responders to steroids plus have almost all muscle groups with genetic blessings.

Billions of people out there and if the stars and moon align….. congratulations! Even the 80’s and 90’s mass monsters didn’t take all that much and got a shit ton of results. My friend used to say “you just look at a bottle of testosterone and your back grows”. Chest, legs and hamstrings pfft crap regardless of how hard I train, eat or AAS. 500mg/wk gets me lots. Total test and deca 1,400mg/wk gets me tons and feel like shit and crash hard within months.


Henderson Thorn said to us in a small group after a seminar in 1993- “If you can’t grow like hell off 1 gram per week this is not the sport for you”
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I like this thought and remember hearing mayne Dr. Mike talking about this. Reality is that guys who become pto bodybuilders arent the guys that just use the most gear. Most are genetically predisposed mentally and physically to attain muscle mass. And when those guys use the right gear and are commited for years they become the massive men who make it. A guy with my genetics and mental structure could use gear for years and never attain that. So chasing that by just using more and more gear, not likely the answer. But thats just this old guys opinion.
 
I’m sorry if im being a douchebag to everyone but we can’t ignore logic and pretend that the pros you guys look up to are saints and don’t lie.

Also, some people need higher doses reletive to their own genetics to grow. Some people can HANDLE higher doses because their body is super resilient.

I laughed when that fucktard with a mouth full of popcorn is acting like people with genetic resilience to drugs have never been seen before. LITTERALY ANY OPEN PRO. For other drug addicts, take a look at Izzy Osborn. Literally proven he was genetically capable of handling drugs. You and your popcorn can Go fuck yourself

@hericlitus
 
Hell, my genetics require 1- 1.5 grams of gear just to be ifbb mens physique pro size.
I know that classic and open arent in my genetics. Im just not built for massive chunks of muscle on me and pushing for that would be so bad for my health that i would be an idiot to push for it.
The side effects reach my acceptable limit at that gear usage anyways.
 
DeeKnows said:
Hell, my genetics require 1- 1.5 grams of gear just to be ifbb mens physique pro size.
I know that classic and open arent in my genetics. Im just not built for massive chunks of muscle on me and pushing for that would be so bad for my health that i would be an idiot to push for it.
The side effects reach my acceptable limit at that gear usage anyways.
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Woah man, if you push up the doses just *500*mg more, you will die of a tragic early death like me.
 
Tren4Evah said:
Woah man, if you push up the doses just *500*mg more, you will die of a tragic early death like me.
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Its funny, i get it.
But just total weekly amounts dont mean shit either. Its also what your taking. High toxicity shit in high amounts is more dangerous than lets say test n mast or test n deca or test n gh in those same weekly amounts.
 
Tren4Evah said:
I’m sorry if im being a douchebag to everyone but we can’t ignore logic and pretend that the pros you guys look up to are saints and don’t lie.

Also, some people need higher doses reletive to their own genetics to grow. Some people can HANDLE higher doses because their body is super resilient.

I laughed when that fucktard with a mouth full of popcorn is acting like people with genetic resilience to drugs have never been seen before. LITTERALY ANY OPEN PRO. For other drug addicts, take a look at Izzy Osborn. Literally proven he was genetically capable of handling drugs. You and your popcorn can Go fuck yourself

@hericlitus
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Yep, I agree with you.

Those drugs clearly never hurt Ozzy at all.
I’m sure he’d be okay with his kids doing it. Same genetics.

The pros, too, are probably fine with their kids doing the same. No harm after all.

Truly hope it all works out for you.
Cheers.
 
Can we please have a mod or someone delete or lock this thread and just keep golden rods original statement? Theres no reason this had to carry on for so long
 
Tren4Evah said:
Good thing drug users are known to be honest about how much they take. They definitely aren’t known to downplay their usage. Get real. 300lbs stage lean. 2 grams of gear?. Are we joking? My drunk uncle says he sober, I believe him. Lee priest: 200mg deca, tried tren once. Get fucked. Lee priest also butchugged liquor and did 3 grams of coke and a bunch of Molly in one night. Definitely a conservative guy, eh?

We see these pros who train for years, diet for years and they suddenly jump up 50 lbs in the offseason going from classic to the epidomi of a mutant? because they did what? Tried a new excersise? Did a new diet plan? Worked with a new coach?

Let’s face it. Open bodybuilders are drug abusers.
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I actually quite liked this post...lmfao.
 
BanditNOLIMIT said:
I would be curious to hear what everyone constitutes as an appropriate amount of gear for someone pursuing bodybuilding competitively is. Where is the line drawn where the abuse becomes unacceptable? Can we really quantify it in any other way besides tracking health metrics that we have access to? Blood pressure, blood sugar, blood work, imaging, etc.
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I'd say the appropriate amount of gear for someone pursuing bodybuilding is the lowest amount required to keep progressing. If i could put a smirk emoji i would. Ultimately that means you would require higher doses as you keep progressing. But this doesnt apply to that guy you see at every show who the crowd asks "why the hell is this guy competing". That guy doesnt get to bump the doses to.progress. He needs to hang up the trunks and embrace trt. I think competitors need to be honest with themselves, if your an shitty bodybuilder you don't need to be hammering the dosages, you'll still be an shitty bodybuilder. I'm a shitty golfer and if i buy the best clubs, shoes, glove and a pop the collar shirt, I'm still gonna be a shitty golfer. And I only wasted money. The shitty bodybuilder wasted money and might of screwed with his health. But if you're making a living from your physique then you do what you have to do. Make peace with the fact that you might not live as long as you would have, be as proactive as you can and enjoy it. @BanditNOLIMIT you are a level headed guy. You just started this year and want to see where it takes you so you'll have to push the envelope. I don't see anything wrong with that. You do your bloodwork religiously, get tests/scans and take more health supplements then gear, peptides etc. combined. But I'm pretty sure you're not the norm.
 
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CoolRick said:
Yes that's the guy!

Remember his $3000/ month "lifestyle" programs? 😂 Then comes on and wonders why he has no sex drive after blasting tren for months on end. Fml.
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3000/month !!!! Yes

For sure there was a wait list of people signed up to get that quality coaching
 
Tren4Evah said:
Plug a code reader into a car with no damage to internals. Tell me what it says. let’s say fuel pump is 100% function, your fuel pump is 100% function.
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Bad example dude.
Theres no code reader to tell you your pistons are scored. Or condition of anything really. I guess your not a car guy. Sorry but that is just retarded 🤣
 
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Tren4Evah said:
I’m sorry if im being a douchebag to everyone but we can’t ignore logic and pretend that the pros you guys look up to are saints and don’t lie.

Also, some people need higher doses reletive to their own genetics to grow. Some people can HANDLE higher doses because their body is super resilient.

I laughed when that fucktard with a mouth full of popcorn is acting like people with genetic resilience to drugs have never been seen before. LITTERALY ANY OPEN PRO. For other drug addicts, take a look at Izzy Osborn. Literally proven he was genetically capable of handling drugs. You and your popcorn can Go fuck yourself

@hericlitus
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Wild using Ozzy Osbourne to back up your view when he died from a heart attack. Sure he was 75(?) but still not the greatest backup lol. Saying that it was PROVEN is a pretty big stretch no matter what you read in Teen Beat.
 
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