OldDawgNewTricks
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Hmm.. food for thought, good to know.. appreciate the feedback
CJC-1295 (no DAC) + Ipamorellin Dosage
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I ran it at 250/250 on fasted stomach 5 in the am and worked out fasted , and than I took it again at 930 at night , last meal at 630 pm. Had really good sleeps, got really lean and vascular . I was also taking my usual 200mg of test per week. After 5 weeks I had most about 5 pounds of fat. I did not change my diet at all. In fact I was eating pasta here and there and still getting lean. I really enjoyed it
Bigshrugger
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You are correct, however it is not mandatory. It is an excipient used to help form a better cake/puck, but in many cases like with BPC and TB it is not required if you know what you are doing and properly setup your lyophilization process with the the correct freeze/dry times. Most of the peptides we see talked about daily do not require it, however a peptide like KPV, which is a very short chain sequence will require some type of excipient to form that nice looking cake everyone expects to see. Without it, you end up with a scattered powder. This doesn't mean the peptide is not good, it just doesn't form the cake we are all accustomed to.
SteveMac13
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LOL this is great to know - waiting on my first shipment from a so-so source (recommended by friends, the internet seems to disagree) so I’ll see how the first dose goes!
Something else to consider, while it's normally recommended to take fasted before bed, for a lot of users it will wreck your sleep. When I cycled 300/300 my sleep score crashed. I had to move it to fasted in the morning.
Bigshrugger
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My personal two cents on this, is you are throwing your money away. Products like CJC, Tesa, semorelin and MK should only be used before bed. We aren't producing any GH when awake and the active half life of these products will not result in greater GH production during REM sleep if taken in the morning and you are going to bed 14+hrs later. How long did you persist with bed time use, because from personal experience, MK used to disrupt my sleep, but I just had to stick with it for a week and then I was fine. I've never had CJC or Tesa do this. Also, my other two cents is if you are using CJC or Tesa or semorelin without MK, you are getting 50% of the benefit of what you could. The first three will increase the number of natural GH pulses you have during REM sleep each night, whereas MK will make each pulse much larger in size. They are the perfect combo available right now. People still seem to lean towards Ipam with those, but MK is far superior.
SteveMac13
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Just to update on my experience, pinned for the first time last night and (luckily) had no trouble sleeping. Instead, I had some pretty intense/vivid dreams and woke up feeling well rested. That’s especially noteworthy as I typically don’t remember my dreams at all (it’s a long story) and struggle with actual deep rest. It’s only day 1, but I’ll definitely continue and keep tracking any progress & changes.
Bigshrugger
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Although being fasted is optimal, if you had a small protein meal like egg whites or an isolate shake, there would be minimal effect on your GH production during sleep. Sleep quality is going to impact your GH release more than anything. If you are a light sleeper and wake frequently, you're likely not hitting that deep NREM sleep where you will release the most GH, regardless of using any exogenous helpers.
@JayJay24 Strong statements there and I strongly disagree. I reply mostly to give a little balance here. No offence to BS but the first 2 sentences are correctly somewhat framed a opinion which is fine but to say 'We aren't producing any GH when awake" sounds like a statement of fact which is very easily provable as false. We have natural rhythmic hormonal cycles all day long and while true that you may produce more than half your GH while asleep it may be worth considering that the biggest advantage gain percentage wise may then come from using such supplements while awake.
Not looking to be disrespectful to a guy offering an opinion by the way, I'd opine that he has some knowledge in this area but blanket statements are risky, possible he just phrased it a bit too strongly as we all tend to do in casual conversation. It's almost totally unavoidable speaking on a forum like this though we(I lol) could pick shit apart all day especially since personal experience and the bias that creates comes into play so much. BS says "People still seem to lean towards Ipam with those, but MK is far superior." "50% of the benefit" I say "Ipam is 26.5% better!" or "that shit is terrible it gave me fucking gyno!"
The trick is taking in the info presented, maybe use it as a starting point to do a little research and then figuring out what works for you, best of luck.
PS- Gyno statement is real, tried 2 brands had a massive long lasting flare up from both. great example of individual responses cause on one hand that doesn't seem to make sense but on the other hand it seems that fuckin near everything seems to affect me that way, I walk a tight line unfortunately
I maybe need to research that more than. I understood it as totally fasted. And sleep has always been my downfall regardless. So going to bed rumbling was rough.
Quick update on my end here
I’ve been taking CJC-1295/Ipamorellin blend for a over a month now (250mcg each pep), and definitely feel a “warm flush” after taking it
Surprisingly, it’s somewhat soothing for me before bed…. and knocks me out when I’m exhausted.
I make sure to pin it when I am literally minutes from falling asleep and already drowsy to ensure the effects kick in while I’m asleep (not sure if that matters)….
it has been interesting though on my Oura ring that I am not necessarily getting more deep sleep when taking it … will continue to gather data though
I do feel more refreshed in the mornings though I think…. Could also be that the miserable winter is finally over.
what else am I supposed to feel? lol
I’ve been taking CJC-1295/Ipamorellin blend for a over a month now (250mcg each pep), and definitely feel a “warm flush” after taking it
Surprisingly, it’s somewhat soothing for me before bed…. and knocks me out when I’m exhausted.
I make sure to pin it when I am literally minutes from falling asleep and already drowsy to ensure the effects kick in while I’m asleep (not sure if that matters)….
it has been interesting though on my Oura ring that I am not necessarily getting more deep sleep when taking it … will continue to gather data though
I do feel more refreshed in the mornings though I think…. Could also be that the miserable winter is finally over.
what else am I supposed to feel? lol
Bigshrugger
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I actually thought of editing my original post and got busy with work and you are correct, there is some occurrence of natural GH production while you are awake, but in comparison to that which you release during NREM sleep is almost immeasurable. I still stand by my statement that taking any of those product during waking hours is wasteful of your money, compared to what you can gain when using them prior to bed.
I will provide a statement of fact some might find interesting though. I have been a user of GH daily for definitely over half a decade at 3.3IU per day. Why 3.3? Because mathematically it would give me 30 days per 100IU, no scientific reasoning behind it. I have been getting somatomedin blood work completed about 3x per year (with all my other blood work) this whole time as well. Somatomedin is IGF blood levels btw. A good longer picture indicator if your GH is worth the money you are paying for it. High normal marker is 265 for this test. My typical results were usually around 380, which upon some lengthy research, equivalates very closely to what 3iu would do for you. So I know my GH source is decent. Then I ran a little test. I suspended GH use completely for just over one week, then I began to use 600mcg of Tesa with 12.5mg of MK right before bed each night. I ran this for 3 weeks and then went for a blood draw and to my own surprise I was actually 10 points higher than my previous blood draw on 3.3IU of GH. Now when measuring in hundreds, 10 points isn't anything crazy, but all that to say the combo was eliciting roughly the same value of natural GH production as my 3.3IU of exogenous GH. I also noticed in the first week and a bit I added about 5lbs of water and the last time I had seen that same result was when Serostim 126iu US kits were reasonably affordable. Same fullness feeling. Both companies I used were Canadian sources. I'm new here so I'm not naming anything/anyone because I don't want to violate any rules, but I've definitely seen both the peptide company and UGL lab mentioned here in other threads. I have also repeated this test with CJC and the same brand MK with similar results, however, my personal preference of the two is Tesa over CJC. I have not tried any Semorelin as of yet. Long story short is, they all work. Maybe I should repeat the test with just Tesa and Ipam and then I could provide a statement of %=/- vs. MK. I'm blessed to have a great MD who I can say hey I got a new brand of GH and want to make sure it is decent and she'll give me a blood req for the test.
Edit: For those wondering why my dosage of Tesa was 600mcg, I based this dose off of some clinical studies on rats and did the math on their dose per kg of body weight. If I remember it actually had me at 800mcg equivalent but I like to play it mild
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Thank you for the reply. I can't agree with immeasurable right now because without digging back in IIRC awake time can range between something like 30-45% naturally, not sure how that would total up with the supps we are discussing though. As far as wasteful that is subjective so I'm cool with whatever you consider that to be, opinions will vary.
I think your self experiments are great, sounds like you too some care in how you did it, decent value to that kind of stuff. I've never done bloods for anything GH related myself and I didn't find much in the way of institutional testing/studies out there last time I looked into it. I'd be all ears if you ever do more testing.