I'm unfamiliar with the use of these two preparations but highly interested if anyone has ever used them, what are you experiences?
EQ Base & Nandrolone Base
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Do you mean a base for cycles like a test base etc or you mean like the compound no ester base like tren base etc? If the first, ya brotha, super big on eq/deca base instead of test with hcg as the “test base” if anything. Best blasts for me were always eq deca bases with my last literally being eq deca hcg var 20 weeks deep nothing but bliss from all aspects. Test base or test is must is a meh walk away argument for me lol. If you are talking no ester compound bases then don’t mind the above. No haven’t tried them but I seen and heard of nandrolone base quite often with some good experiences. I am sure a few in here ran it up!
Awesome information none the less, but yes "base" as in no ester.
I'm with you on the idea that test is not best.
While i don't think its bad as i get along with test fine, it's "dirty" especially at higher dosages. Bloat, estrogen sides, oily skin etc.
HCG + deca was my best cycle. I'd use test as a base or deca as a base but never mix them. No bloat, acne, high blood pressure and no need for estrogen management with deca only.
Come to think about it I'd probably not use more than 200-250mg of test c per week and make up the rest with EQ.
I been saying this for years. Tried and tested. The same goes to the old school bodybuilding era and so on. Test is best at the biological level of course being the main male hormone and driver etc but absolutely not needed if one builds a professional advanced chemist synthetic circuit of a blast or cycle. I think it comes with a little bit of knowledge and education of the pharmacokinetics and bodily functions and requirements to sustain hormonal stability etc. Testosterone is needed due to the conversion of both e2 and dht which are essential yet can be extracted and implemented separately without test itself. I had amazing runs with baby dbol 5mg daily or actually “on demand” style pop n go when needed for low/crashed e2 symptoms and great results with super high nandrolone aromatizing at 20% test rate providing baseline sufficient e2 conversion and hcg being superior choice at both e2/dht supply due to the increased testicular and overall testosterone etc. when it comes to dht needs u got DHT derivatives to add bypassing test’s conversion for it eliminating the alongside e2 conversion etc. the list goes on man haha. Years into test free cycles here with nothing but excellent execution in comparison to my younger high test days. Last best heavy runs being high deca eq hcg var and hcg parabolan winny, phenomenal. For long cruises/bridges yes i implement trt no less than 150 no more than 250 or even 100 with hcg to balance overall e2 aromatization. The key here is understanding the hormonal triad balance of Main Driver Anabolic (test/19nor) : E2 : DHT. Nice to see a likeminded fella. Cheers!
Very insightful posts, really enjoying your insights into your cycles of past & present. Solid guys.
I have used nandrolone base. Injected it in my calf and regretted that pretty quick. Lol.
At that time i got tired of daily injections and didnt go very far with it.
Pretty sure i still have a couple 30 ml jugs kicking around.
At that time i got tired of daily injections and didnt go very far with it.
Pretty sure i still have a couple 30 ml jugs kicking around.
@The Caped Crusader and @CoolRick I’m interested in test free cicles, did you guys have issues with Deca mixed with test before?
I was using 100mg of Deca a week,300mg test, 200mg primo and still gave me depressive thoughts after 2 months.
I like Deca but I don’t like feeling depressed lol. My first cicle many many years ago was 400mg deca a week for 2 weeks and it was great.
Just curious if there is any way to avoid the drepressed thoughts which is probably dopamine issues since Deca crosses the blood brain barrier. Thanks
I was using 100mg of Deca a week,300mg test, 200mg primo and still gave me depressive thoughts after 2 months.
I like Deca but I don’t like feeling depressed lol. My first cicle many many years ago was 400mg deca a week for 2 weeks and it was great.
Just curious if there is any way to avoid the drepressed thoughts which is probably dopamine issues since Deca crosses the blood brain barrier. Thanks
Everytime I have testosterone mixed in my stack I look it as the aggravator of sides as it amplifies them severely depending on doses and ratios of whats included. Even as a trt base, which is the closest to a stable cycle, it still isn’t my preference. For instance, as many say high nor like tren with trt test base is how you allow tren to shine and reduce the sides which is very true from tried and tested experience however my prl still shoots up a little due to the continuous background aromatization and i am not going to keep spamming ais or caber to control this. I drop test and tried baby dbol 5mg on demand when needed and sometimes a low dose of hcg and magic happens. My latest heavy blast was 1.2g eq 1g deca 1000ius hcg 50var and i was god mode all 20 weeks with retarded libido in comparison to “deca dick” complaints lol. Testosterone is GOOD but not always needed man. The only way you are going to know this is to personally try it and laugh later about the argument of “test is must”. Another was 750ius hcg and 306mg parabolan and 40mg winny. Phenomenal. Scary. Potent. Clean. God mode. To conclude like I said in my previous note it’s just simply a little knowledge and chemist play creating a somewhat balanced hormonal circuit of the triad. Your main driver:e2:dht. Yes brother i have done ages ago 2g deca alone and gotten away with it amazingly. On paper its like 400mg test aromatization frankly speaking of the 20% aroma rate of nandrolone but not accurately biologically. The only main concern when blasting deca/eq test free is their weak DHN/DHB androgens and that’s where u add in a great DHT component to override that effect and keep DHT signaling to maintain an androgenic masculinization effect and drive if that makes sense. Deca cycle alone with var/winny/primo/mast will cover that! Again tried and tested mate. Aside from all the above, yes at times you may feel slightly off depending on the test free stack one chooses as its never ever going to be clean even with test included. There will always be some sort of side. Look at it like this, if the goal is to be in an extremely anabolic hypertrophic environment, your goal is to push anabolism with minimal androgenic activity such as my eq deca hcg var cycle being highly anabolic with the var being there just to compensate some DHT signaling while at the tissue level the eq and deca 100/125:50/25 is HIGHLY anabolic, nothing but gains. Do you feel sometimes a little calmly off? Sure. Is libido there but more of a physical stimulation rather than background desire? Sure. The point here is stability and anabolism not consistent hyper androgenic energy in the background providing excessive sides but definitely worth the mental drive and feel. The funniest way to look and end this is like, you got person A a mass monster who has his hoodie on working out in the corner of the gym all mellow and chill and “calm” while person B is the same however highly aggressive and androgenic style of lifting and presence and aura/energy if that makes sense. Both are excellent and both have their relative individual personalities. I am A. I push highly anabolic circuits at the tissue level while maintaining baseline sufficient needs of e2 and DHT signaling to remain “stable” or “complete”. I hope that makes sense man haha. Cheers!
Nandrolone + test gave me ED sorta sides. I could get a good erection but after a while it just sorta died on me lol. Like @The Caped Crusader mentioned, test was usually the culprit for the negative sides i was experiencing.
Taking test out proved to me it's not nandrolone causing issues but the test. I've been off AAS for just over a year now and I can tell you for me personally, exogenous test sucks vs my own production. I'm back to how i was in my early 20s, regular morning wood and my usual short refractory period
. Exogenous test increased my refectory period without a doubt.No issues with mood otherwise.
Consider trying NPP or Deca on its own or with some HCG for a change and you'll know for sure.
Boldenone base is generally horrible by all accords.
I believe @Mammoth said he made a pain free/flu free version. I smooched his arse in that thread because through all the years I have never heard of or experienced that despite many attempting such a feat over the years.
There was a thread on OLM once where many members were sick and sore....like norvovirus had swept the board....and it was a pretty damn big board...lol.
So with that, maybe not impossible and he solved the Matrix...lol.
But beware....its generally horrible.
I couldnt see nandrolone base being much better....but I can't say for certain.
@biguglynewf awesome post, thank you for your input. Exactly what I was looking for! Through the years, I have heard unbearable PIP. I assume a lot like 1-Test Cyp/Boldenone Cypionate.
Learned a ton on this thread about Nandrolone only cycles, lol. Very in depth.
I can definitely picture the 2 types, with the nandrolone being more calm. Thanks for all the info brother, definitely worth trying one day but without Eq given that I’m over 40 and don’t want to stress my kidneys more. I love how much mass I can get with Deca and also keep it.
Youre blowing my mind right now, i need to know more
@ostrichlegs hope this helps know more into it!
So for example could I run 800 deca, 500 eq and just keep my estrogen topped off with dbol as needed?
Yes keeping Deca higher is good as it aromatizes at 20% rate of testosterone so it’s yielding some e2 as if you are on 160mg testosterone but not biologically fixated on pen and paper and depending on how e2 feels or reports back or the low/crash sides you feel can be simply mitigated with baby dbols if on hand or even better HCG twice a week with the alongside benefits of keeping healthy testicular function, size and libido and overall test/e2 production which is a win win. Its all very dependent and subjective and individual requirements/needs. You might even get away just fine with deca/eq alone depending on how your body responds to it. For instance, you might have a great perfect circuit running with only side being a meh low libido or sex drive or more like a calm mellow physical stimulation needed to get to pound town where as someone else might prefer a constant strong background sexual drive and libido which can be easily mitigated by sprinkling a dht like var with the stack to override the dhn/dhb effect. If you are someone who is say like of a calm mellow personality with a relaxed detached chill sex drive who isn’t too attached to their cock and pound town needs but enjoys to indulge from time to time then youd be least concerned of the heavy androgenic needs WHILE pushing highly anabolic at the tissue level which is our main focus of the sport, hypertrophic growth etc. If you are a person who pounds daily and loves his bed time and has a demanding lifestyle to keep up with then yes of course an androgenic boost is great to “stabilize/complete” the circuit by something like deca eq mast/primo/var/winny etc. In regards to E2 specifically, baby dbol is fucking amazing and i ran it for a while at 5mg tabs on demand and it clutched it up. Now if you want person B stack, of course youd wanna avoid two orals at the same time even if baby does so basically something like deca eq baby dbol steady/on demand (or hcg steady) vs deca eq mast/primo baby dbol steady/on demand (or hcg steady). I tried both and it really is concluded by a very subjective individual response at the end of the day. One might androgenically be sufficient or “stable” with the dhn/dhb androgens providing just fine basic baseline androgenic needs while somebody else’s composition might not be able to sustain the weaker androgens and will need to implement a DHT component. I hope this is slowly making sense as I don’t always push test free cycles openly because they simply do require a deeper understanding of biology rather than just gym bro science etc but yes back in the days good old arnold days and vintage bodybuilding keeping in mind how they looked and performed was all mainly and only if i am correct DECA BASES with baby dbols and so on!