Tren Mast Test cutting cycle first time.

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19NorKing

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Hey guys first time using both Tren and Mast. (Not first cycle) I'm looking at 200-300tren 250 mast and 600-750 Test, 6iu GH, 4mg reta and rotating 2wks clen (This gets my Total test around 2500 normally so with the increased shbg we'll see when I get tested [haven't paid for a bioavailable as the medical system here doesn't test this if you're over 1000]). Does this ratio seem decent enough I might get away without Aromasin? I have lots but I don't want to get the sides while I'm running Caber as well. Also what dose of Caber have you guys had success with avoiding prolactin buildup? I won't be getting my bloods done on cycle for 6 weeks so just trying to start at a good place that I can dial it easy. Also general experience based advice besides don't on running Tren/Mast.

Currently 269 trying to cut to 240/50 at a 1000-1500cal deficit (still 220g of protein a day) 40-50km cardio a week, resistance training full body splits every other day. Diet is dialed.
 
I don't prescribe to the idea of cycling clen like you mentioned. I'd recommend running it for 8-10 weeks and tapering up the dose every couple weeks. That's what I've found most effective with both myself and others.

I'd be hard pressed to think that you won't need any AI using that much Test, but there are always outliers. Do you prior experience using that amount of Test? 2500 sounds like a really low number for the doses mentioned. When using 19-nors it's critical to keep estrogen under control as it's often responsible for increased prolactin in most cases.
 
BanditNOLIMIT said:
I don't prescribe to the idea of cycling clen like you mentioned. I'd recommend running it for 8-10 weeks and tapering up the dose every couple weeks. That's what I've found most effective with both myself and others.

I'd be hard pressed to think that you won't need any AI using that much Test, but there are always outliers. Do you prior experience using that amount of Test? 2500 sounds like a really low number for the doses mentioned. When using 19-nors it's critical to keep estrogen under control as it's often responsible for increased prolactin in most cases.
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I kept hearing about heart damage going for longer periods on clen but at 50mcg a day I was doing great for 4 weeks with zero sides. Im taking 2 off then going for 4 again. Last cycle I was at 1g of test with only 3002 total registering (this could just be the limit of their labs testing?? I am unsure but youd think it would say + or a flat 3000.) my estradiol at 1g was 382 but i was also on 600mg of deca and had just finished my dbol and learning aromasin over say nolva in the past so those numbers are big inflated/results of experimenting with a new ai.

Edit almost zero sides at that e2 as well.
 
Test prop 300
Mast prop 300
Tren ace 300

Diet
Carb cycle
Clean cheats
For the 8-10 weeks on

1cc each EOD

If you can’t get shredded
It’s not for you and not worth the health risk

And by shredded I mean best YOUVE looked in your life don’t have to be cbum

I mean you are looking at yourself and saying WOW and it’s worth it

Anything less is not acceptable
 
Yeah that's where I'm at right now my shoulders are boulders my pecs are massive I'm getting the V shape now I want to cut harder and see if there's abs in there.
 
Little update it's been 40 days and I'm down to 250-251, the cut has been majorly slow lately I think my body is beginning to get sick of the defecit after 3 months of reta. I'm also on so much gear and HGH that I think there's been a tonne of recomp I'm beginning to really get some nice form going on, upper abs are starting to show quite well lower isn't quite there yet especially with the extra skin.

Edit I know that's right on par for the defecit I listed but I was definitely 2000+kcal defecit for alot of this. with 1500-2200kcal intake.
 
FitTrader said:
Test prop 300
Mast prop 300
Tren ace 300

Diet
Carb cycle
Clean cheats
For the 8-10 weeks on

1cc each EOD

If you can’t get shredded
It’s not for you and not worth the health risk

And by shredded I mean best YOUVE looked in your life don’t have to be cbum

I mean you are looking at yourself and saying WOW and it’s worth it

Anything less is not acceptable
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Yeah at the moment I'd say I look like you but at 17% BF or so I've never looked better and I'm forcing myself to continue cause it's only another month or so. I just miss the lubricity of deca my joints say I'm tired boss.
 
Down to 233 today 10 more days on cycle. ran out of mast but that's no big loss shbg suppression will last untill the end anyways. in the 15-18% range abs are visibly separated, obliques are massive and frame me well. I get compliments every day from strangers haha. Afraid to go any lower because I'll probably be 225 off cycle at this point and that's very small feeling for me.
 
FitTrader said:
Test prop 300
Mast prop 300
Tren ace 300

Diet
Carb cycle
Clean cheats
For the 8-10 weeks on

1cc each EOD

If you can’t get shredded
It’s not for you and not worth the health risk

And by shredded I mean best YOUVE looked in your life don’t have to be cbum

I mean you are looking at yourself and saying WOW and it’s worth it

Anything less is not acceptable
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I’ve done this exact cycle with one minor adjustment and it was amazing the only difference is I used 400mg tren ace . Fantastic results.
 
Not the most knowledgeable guy but here’s my 2 cents. I also am reckless with what I do so maybe take this with a grain of salt but I really am trying to give my best advice in a safe way.

If u haven’t tried clen before, why not try something lighter that’s still really effective? Maybe an ECA (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin) run, or salbutamol which is a bit more intense. Look into them if it interests you.
Split them 3 times a day. Waking, mid day, before bed. If it causes issues with sleep push last dose earlier in day.

This is just me but mast doesn’t act as an ai in my body so I’d personally run aromasin with it, or a compound like primo or mast which helps lower estrogen.

I would also lower testosterone dose, ~400-500?, keep the tren at 200 ( you don’t need lots of tren to reap its benefits), and increase the mast 300-400 a week.

Also, speaking on your Reta and clen. Maybe you won’t need them at all, who knows. Play it by year, add things when necessary, don’t play all your cards at once.

If you INSSIST on using clen, start low, 20mcg daily, asses tolerance. Maybe after 5 days do another 20 jump. See how you feel… another 20 jump and it’s kinda making you feel funky? Okay, back down to previous dose. Split the doses.


Just my experience. There’s no one right way to take steroids, everyone is different
 
I did 14 weeks of clen and it worked very very well but the whole time I had a bit of a cough. 50mcg
Overall I lost 33lbs over 80 days so an avg defecit of yknow 1200kcal except not really because there was still recomp going on and I gained alot of strength and back size I was more likely around 2000kcal with consuming 15-1800kcal a day avg first 2 months and then decreasing the deficit as things got a bit more strained on my body.
 
Tren4Evah said:
Not the most knowledgeable guy but here’s my 2 cents. I also am reckless with what I do so maybe take this with a grain of salt but I really am trying to give my best advice in a safe way.

If u haven’t tried clen before, why not try something lighter that’s still really effective? Maybe an ECA (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin) run, or salbutamol which is a bit more intense. Look into them if it interests you.
Split them 3 times a day. Waking, mid day, before bed. If it causes issues with sleep push last dose earlier in day.

This is just me but mast doesn’t act as an ai in my body so I’d personally run aromasin with it, or a compound like primo or mast which helps lower estrogen.

I would also lower testosterone dose, ~400-500?, keep the tren at 200 ( you don’t need lots of tren to reap its benefits), and increase the mast 300-400 a week.

Also, speaking on your Reta and clen. Maybe you won’t need them at all, who knows. Play it by year, add things when necessary, don’t play all your cards at once.

If you INSSIST on using clen, start low, 20mcg daily, asses tolerance. Maybe after 5 days do another 20 jump. See how you feel… another 20 jump and it’s kinda making you feel funky? Okay, back down to previous dose. Split the doses.


Just my experience. There’s no one right way to take steroids, everyone is different
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oh yeah I ended up at 825 and 350 haha it's been pretty crazy. I also am a bit of a jackass. I did lower the test when i realised I wasnt 700 and I'm just tapering off now as i hit the end of the cycle on the test. The tren will leave fast and not cause as many issues so it can be 350
 
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