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Sorbate

Sorbate

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So second week in September I really did a number on my right shoulder.
Got an ultrasound, in hindsight maybe should have got an mri as well.

So the fucking thing is still too rough to train with, but at least finally I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. It is finally starting to heal and get stronger.

It was so bad when I hurt it, that at first I thought it was healing quickly, but the swelling was supporting the shoulder and until the swelling started to come down (like 6 weeks of ice 3-4 times daily) I didn’t realize how bad it was. Then being a dumb ass, I thought I could try lifting some 90 lb boxes on the ladder, only going to chest height, well that was dumb and I put myself back 3 weeks.

I have never had an injury take so long to heal. I still have a partial impingment. I am thinking 2 more months before I’ll be able to slowly get back into normal weight training.

I am doing everything, timing collagen around rehab with vit c
Taking all the supplements suggested to me

Drugs Daily
Copper peptide 2mg
Tb 500 mcg
Bpc 500 mcg
1 iu gh
Been on this for months.

Only running 180 mg of pharma test a week.

I do all my rehab exercises every day as instructed by the physiotherapist, I finally broke down 3 weeks ago. Found out that I had distilled my self help down into what he had me do anyways, and was even using the shockwave machine on pretty much the same settings in the same area.

So I confirmed that I was doing the right thing, it was just damaged was worse than I had hoped and that’s why it is taking so long to heal.

Truthfully I’m kinda bummed. I could train legs, but I only have motivation for rehab and maybe 20 min of cardio. I miss training upper body. I’m sick of having irritating pain. Sick of my shoulder sticking when I lift it up with weight in my hand that I have to push thru in pain.
Plus I’m sick of our cold shit snowing weather.

I keep hoping one morning I’ll wake up, lift my arm impingement free.

Anyhow, just wanted to bitch.
 
I feel for you man thats rough. Ive started doing tendon and ligament strengthening exercises every gym session I do just to help avoid injury in the future. Man you've been waiting a long time surgery almost would have healed quicker. How did you hurt it was it over head pressing or any type of press exercise?
 
My shoudler has been feeling better lately... so I was almost scared to open your thread lol... Seems like anytime you talk to another guy about their new shoulder injury, you jinx yourself to get one yourself..

What's worked for me is chiropractor, doing their exercises, BCP and a smarter work out plan to let it heal...

I have stopped doing any presses for shoulders.. just flies.. and occasioanlly upright rows.. That's helped a lot..
 
Sorbate said:
So second week in September I really did a number on my right shoulder.
Got an ultrasound, in hindsight maybe should have got an mri as well.

So the fucking thing is still too rough to train with, but at least finally I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. It is finally starting to heal and get stronger.

It was so bad when I hurt it, that at first I thought it was healing quickly, but the swelling was supporting the shoulder and until the swelling started to come down (like 6 weeks of ice 3-4 times daily) I didn’t realize how bad it was. Then being a dumb ass, I thought I could try lifting some 90 lb boxes on the ladder, only going to chest height, well that was dumb and I put myself back 3 weeks.

I have never had an injury take so long to heal. I still have a partial impingment. I am thinking 2 more months before I’ll be able to slowly get back into normal weight training.

I am doing everything, timing collagen around rehab with vit c
Taking all the supplements suggested to me

Drugs Daily
Copper peptide 2mg
Tb 500 mcg
Bpc 500 mcg
1 iu gh
Been on this for months.

Only running 180 mg of pharma test a week.

I do all my rehab exercises every day as instructed by the physiotherapist, I finally broke down 3 weeks ago. Found out that I had distilled my self help down into what he had me do anyways, and was even using the shockwave machine on pretty much the same settings in the same area.

So I confirmed that I was doing the right thing, it was just damaged was worse than I had hoped and that’s why it is taking so long to heal.

Truthfully I’m kinda bummed. I could train legs, but I only have motivation for rehab and maybe 20 min of cardio. I miss training upper body. I’m sick of having irritating pain. Sick of my shoulder sticking when I lift it up with weight in my hand that I have to push thru in pain.
Plus I’m sick of our cold shit snowing weather.

I keep hoping one morning I’ll wake up, lift my arm impingement free.

Anyhow, just wanted to bitch.
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Shoulder pain sucks man you’re allowed to bitch.
 
Bigbear said:
I feel for you man thats rough. Ive started doing tendon and ligament strengthening exercises every gym session I do just to help avoid injury in the future. Man you've been waiting a long time surgery almost would have healed quicker. How did you hurt it was it over head pressing or any type of press exercise?
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Surgery is suggested as last resort. The outcome with partial tears isn't any better than if you let it heal on it's own. It can take 3-6 months for recovery after surgery as well.

It's getting there, I am just impatient. When I first hurt it I was worried, I thought I had fucked it up really bad. Figured I would need surgery for sure.
There was a loud pop, cold pain down my arm and up into my trap. I couldn't lift my arm it at all at first.

It like I am watching grass grow, that is about the speed at which it is healing, lol.
 
animal-inside said:
My shoudler has been feeling better lately... so I was almost scared to open your thread lol... Seems like anytime you talk to another guy about their new shoulder injury, you jinx yourself to get one yourself..

What's worked for me is chiropractor, doing their exercises, BCP and a smarter work out plan to let it heal...

I have stopped doing any presses for shoulders.. just flies.. and occasioanlly upright rows.. That's helped a lot..
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I was thinking a chrio next. The physiotherapist was good, but I didn't learn anything I didn't already know or was doing. I was hoping that he would help me to learn proper movement and study mine to see how it could be corrected, where I just got the basic rotorcuff exercises and shockwave. For $85 I can do that myself.
 
I would go to a high-end physiotherapist. I just relearned this lesson.

Been dealing with a back injury, which spiralled into a pinched nerve for months. Went to the peptide and chiropractor route for months with very little results. Finally broke down and went to Physio and three weeks later I’m more than 50% healed.

I would always do extensive Physio before making the decision about surgery.

PS. We both gotta get a little more healed before we start “our drive to 55”
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
I would go to a high-end physiotherapist. I just relearned this lesson.

Been dealing with a back injury, which spiralled into a pinched nerve for months. Went to the peptide and chiropractor route for months with very little results. Finally broke down and went to Physio and three weeks later I’m more than 50% healed.

I would always do extensive Physio before making the decision about surgery.

PS. We both gotta get a little more healed before we start “our drive to 55”
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I don't know who the high end physio guys are here. I have used 6 different people over the years and they all do the same basic stuff that I can look up on you tube.

Maybe I should try and find out who they use for the University Football team. That person would likely be good.

I think I'll be almost healed in a month. I haven't lost any mass (wasn't that large to start with, lol) So it won't take much for me to bounce back.

I had slacked on my diet for a bit and fattened back up a bit, so I'll dump the potato chips and ice cream I was eating every day and I'll be back down to the very low 10's in a month, lol. So I am ready for the drive to 55 at the end of August.l
 
Back in BC we had a guy that traveled with the Canadian olympic ski team, he was fucking amazing! Pros were he knew his shit, cons were come ski season he was seldom in the office.

He and a chiropractor buddy had a practice and they had physiotherapist, needling, natural paths, feel good massage therapy, deep tissue massage therapy, guys wife was a chiropractor as well and all seriously veted.

Pricey but gawd I miss that place.
 
faller said:
Back in BC we had a guy that traveled with the Canadian olympic ski team, he was fucking amazing! Pros were he knew his shit, cons were come ski season he was seldom in the office.

He and a chiropractor buddy had a practice and they had physiotherapist, needling, natural paths, feel good massage therapy, deep tissue massage therapy, guys wife was a chiropractor as well and all seriously veted.

Pricey but gawd I miss that place.
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Love seeing you here Faller, hope you are well!
 
Man shoulders are just part of the game. Almost everyone who trains long enough ends up fighting one at some point. It’s rarely one big thing, it’s usually months of little stuff adding up and then one day it pops.

Biggest thing I’ve learned is stop “testing it.” Every time you raise it and push through that sticky painful arc just to see if it’s better, you piss it off again. Let it calm down.

Couple things that helped me personally:


– Drop all barbell pressing for a while. Dumbbells or a landmine press feel way more natural on the shoulder.
– Do slow controlled face pulls and external rotations, not just quick pump reps. Control the negative.
– Serratus work and lower trap stuff. Most of us hammer front delts and neglect the stabilizers.
– Keep the weight lighter than your ego wants for a few weeks even when it starts feeling better.

And honestly, impingement is usually more about mechanics than “damage.” Once the cuff and scap control come back online, that catching feeling starts disappearing.

It sucks, but shoulder rehabs always feel like watching grass grow… then one week it suddenly feels 70% better.

You’ll get there. Just don’t rush it and reset yourself again.
 
In my case the right physio is the one that will correct your movements and get you back to the gym the next day. He/she will work with more load then your regular cookie cutter physios and some times you have to push through discomfort. I have a guy in bc and he is the goat, he fixed my shoulders and I had surgery on both already when younger.
Biggest thing is don’t loose faith because it takes time and it sucks.
 
Sorbate said:
I don't know who the high end physio guys are here. I have used 6 different people over the years and they all do the same basic stuff that I can look up on you tube.

Maybe I should try and find out who they use for the University Football team. That person would likely be good.

I think I'll be almost healed in a month. I haven't lost any mass (wasn't that large to start with, lol) So it won't take much for me to bounce back.

I had slacked on my diet for a bit and fattened back up a bit, so I'll dump the potato chips and ice cream I was eating every day and I'll be back down to the very low 10's in a month, lol. So I am ready for the drive to 55 at the end of August.l
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That’s a good place to start. Find out who supports the larger sports in your area. There’s a massive difference in quality between a high-end and a low end physiotherapist

This week I was there for over an hour. He assessed the improvements since last session. Assessed my range of motion, had me lift some weights to assess my form and if I could re-create some of the issue. Then worked on creating mobility in the joint for about 20 minutes, put me in traction for 15 minutes and then put me on a machine for intramuscular work to reduce inflammation for another 15minutes
 
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Oldguyjiujitsu said:
That’s a good place to start. Find out who supports the larger sports in your area. There’s a massive difference in quality between a high-end and a low end physiotherapist

This week I was there for over an hour. He assessed the improvements since last session. Assessed my range of motion, had me lift some weights to assess my form and if I could re-create some of the issue. Then worked on creating mobility in the joint for about 20 minutes, put me in traction for 15 minutes and then put me on a machine for intramuscular work to reduce information for another 15minutes
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Every day now it is getting better. I might just get lazy and see what happens, lol.
 
Hey @Sorbate - you have been pressing weights for decades and the fact you have shoulder issues is not surprising. I have too, but not to the degree you have.
Unlike the masses who can't press, I find pressing to be the easiest on my shoulders and I press heavy weight (at least I think it is lol). I do not do bar presses and don't even use DB's anymore. I use two machines alternating and the hand position is the most important factor for me. My hands can't be too far back either - the concept of a behind the neck shoulder press is out. Both machines, when I use it, I start with very low weight and a lot of sets of 5 just to warm up and build up to one or two full rack drop sets. I am sure I am telling you something you already know as you have been lifting forever. I am not ego lifting, I am doing a couple what I consider heavy presses but not to failure and then drop the weight by 20 lbs until I am pressing the 20 lbs. Kind of funny straining to press 20 lbs for 5 reps, but my shoulders are growing and getting stronger.

I also use a machine that puts you in perfect position for a lateral raise. Nothing against DB lateral raises but this removes all body motion, cheating, and I never feel any pain. I think someone mentioned it, but I often end with face pulls - you need a cloth attachment to the cable so you can get your hands in proper position and both your hands can go beside if not behind your face. The gym has two that have a strap that opens into two long cloth loops you can grip. I hate the atypical tricep press down rope. I can't separate my arms far enough so I can go far back and I don't need as much weight. I also make sure I use the adjustable cable machine so it is across from my face. Everyone is different, but these changes have helped.

Last - I have Anaconda shoulder braces that hold your shoulder tight into position for longer heavy bag session, but they are very popular with guys who are rehabbing a shoulder injury with weights. They are inexpensive - you can buy two for $50 as they are always on sale, and they are not low quality.

There are so many alternative therapies and I know you would know about them all to try and avoid surgery, peptides, HGH, but nothing beats lowering to the point of going through the motion with next to no weight / high reps, and very slowly build up essentially active healing. I know you know all this, but WTF - I will write it anyway. I can't stand stopping completely and believe it best to stay active unless you have a tear.
Wishing you a quicker recovery.
 
Goldenrod said:
Hey @Sorbate - you have been pressing weights for decades and the fact you have shoulder issues is not surprising. I have too, but not to the degree you have.
Unlike the masses who can't press, I find pressing to be the easiest on my shoulders and I press heavy weight (at least I think it is lol). I do not do bar presses and don't even use DB's anymore. I use two machines alternating and the hand position is the most important factor for me. My hands can't be too far back either - the concept of a behind the neck shoulder press is out. Both machines, when I use it, I start with very low weight and a lot of sets of 5 just to warm up and build up to one or two full rack drop sets. I am sure I am telling you something you already know as you have been lifting forever. I am not ego lifting, I am doing a couple what I consider heavy presses but not to failure and then drop the weight by 20 lbs until I am pressing the 20 lbs. Kind of funny straining to press 20 lbs for 5 reps, but my shoulders are growing and getting stronger.
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Shoulder presses is the movement that never caused pain. But I did it in front with the incline bench just a bit tilted back and I’d only go down to my nose. Found if I went lower there was a funny feeling and I didn’t want to hurt myself. I didn’t push huge amounts, I like sets of 10-12 so 225 was enough. I do drop sets as well.
Goldenrod said:
I also use a machine that puts you in perfect position for a lateral raise. Nothing against DB lateral raises but this removes all body motion, cheating, and I never feel any pain. I think someone mentioned it, but I often end with face pulls - you need a cloth attachment to the cable so you can get your hands in proper position and both your hands can go beside if not behind your face. The gym has two that have a strap that opens into two long cloth loops you can grip. I hate the atypical tricep press down rope. I can't separate my arms far enough so I can go far back and I don't need as much weight. I also make sure I use the adjustable cable machine so it is across from my face. Everyone is different, but these changes have helped.
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After going to physio this time, I realized if you want to hit the delt the hardest, keeping your arms perfectly straight removes the bicep and tricep out of the exercise.
Goldenrod said:
Last - I have Anaconda shoulder braces that hold your shoulder tight into position for longer heavy bag session, but they are very popular with guys who are rehabbing a shoulder injury with weights. They are inexpensive - you can buy two for $50 as they are always on sale, and they are not low quality.
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I thought of buying one, I bought a brace from Sportcheck, but I didn’t like the way it felt. I’ll order one, thx
Goldenrod said:
There are so many alternative therapies and I know you would know about them all to try and avoid surgery, peptides, HGH, but nothing beats lowering to the point of going through the motion with next to no weight / high reps, and very slowly build up essentially active healing. I know you know all this, but WTF - I will write it anyway. I can't stand stopping completely and believe it best to stay active unless you have a tear.
Wishing you a quicker recovery.
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Oh dude, I’m on everything, lol

Right now it feels like it would if I did a normal injury (just pushed it too hard for too long) like I have numerous times before. So about a month recovery.

It is mainly stiff, still crackling and impinges a bit, but much better.

I was able to toss 3 boxes on the shelf from the ground that weighed 55lb each. So I’m standing in front of the shelf, get the box positioned like a basket ball in my hands in front of me and throw it double handed like you would a basket ball with a little jump. The 3rd box was about 2-3 feet above my hands. So I’m getting there. Normally that weight of box I can toss from the floor with accuracy up over 9 feet. (remember I’m fucking short, so that’s a decent distance.). And you gotta get the right curve in there because the ceiling is right above the last box (10’ ceiling)


Anyhow my shoulder has to heal, I’m going to look at another project house, this time 3800 sqft, so I’ll need to do 3 bathrooms and some flooring, lol.
 
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