To test or not to test in early fatherhood

[Bigbear]

Its common knowledge now that in early fatherhood the man's body goes through a reduction in testosterone. This is seen to help the father be more nurturing to the babies. What I want to know, is this meant to happen and is it for the best? These days more men are getting trt and low test levels are linked to more health issues, marital issues and mental health problems. Its easy to see how testosterone can be lowered because your wife has just swelled up to almost unnoticeable and then you most likely witnessed the total annihilation of all her womanly parts. Totally altering your view of her sexually. This accompanied by high levels of stress and cortisol followed by major sleep deprivation its no wonder the test levels plummet. I am well in tuned with my emotional side and love to embrace any estrogenic activity we as men might have such as understanding and empathizing with our wives emotions, nurturing and soothing baby's and all that stuff. I also believe that in our history we probably didnt have these testosterone drops. We would have been in tribes out hunting, gathering and fighting amongst other men while the women formed community back at the camp and raised the children together in a village. What I want to know is what are your thoughts on this? Could this possibly unnecessary test drop be more unhealthy and just the first step in the very long downfall of the father or is it needed and should be embraced for fatherhood? Should those on trt continue in the early baby years or hold off? Would a dad with higher test levels be more helpful work wise and introducing that masculine influence early? ( the masculine influence that has been showing later in toddler years to be beneficial and imperative for toddler development through rough housing smd horse play, could low levels of test because men to act less masculine and maybe begin raising g their children in the earliest stages on the wrong path and over pampering them leading to problems we see in our youth today? People who have been babied and spoiled since birth

 

[CoolRick]

Its common knowledge now that in early fatherhood the man's body goes through a reduction in testosterone. This is seen to help the father be more nurturing to the babies. What I want to know, is this meant to happen and is it for the best? These days more men are getting trt and low test levels are linked to more health issues, marital issues and mental health problems. Its easy to see how testosterone can be lowered because your wife has just swelled up to almost unnoticeable and then you most likely witnessed the total annihilation of all her womanly parts. Totally altering your view of her sexually. This accompanied by high levels of stress and cortisol followed by major sleep deprivation its no wonder the test levels plummet. I am well in tuned with my emotional side and love to embrace any estrogenic activity we as men might have such as understanding and empathizing with our wives emotions, nurturing and soothing baby's and all that stuff. I also believe that in our history we probably didnt have these testosterone drops. We would have been in tribes out hunting, gathering and fighting amongst other men while the women formed community back at the camp and raised the children together in a village. What I want to know is what are your thoughts on this? Could this possibly unnecessary test drop be more unhealthy and just the first step in the very long downfall of the father or is it needed and should be embraced for fatherhood? Should those on trt continue in the early baby years or hold off? Would a dad with higher test levels be more helpful work wise and introducing that masculine influence early? ( the masculine influence that has been showing later in toddler years to be beneficial and imperative for toddler development through rough housing smd horse play, could low levels of test because men to act less masculine and maybe begin raising g their children in the earliest stages on the wrong path and over pampering them leading to problems we see in our youth today? People who have been babied and spoiled since birth

I've seen the study you're talking about. The drop could easily be attributed to a lack of sleep.

I can't see how having lower testosterone makes someone more nurturing. If anything they'd be a cranky son of a bitch, I know I would.

 

[torauntjemima]

I've seen the study you're talking about. The drop could easily be attributed to a lack of sleep.

I can't see how having lower testosterone makes someone more nurturing. If anything they'd be a cranky son of a bitch, I know I would.

Lower test implies higher estrogen, at least in ratio.

At least that's what I think they mean.

 

[CoolRick]

Lower test implies higher estrogen, at least in ratio.

At least that's what I think they mean.

Men need test to produce estrogen, at least in adequate supply. I don't recall that study showing estrogen increased substantially or at all. Meaning no increase in aromatization.

Low T + high estrogen in most men is a terrible spot to be.

 

[DeeKnows]

Fathered 4 kids and i felt like i had a raise in estrogen levels after each were born.
Higher stress, less sleep probably the culprite but i also felt better disancing myself a bit more from the mother during breastfeeding times.
Feels like an estrogenic energy is tranferred causing bitchitis in the father.
Funny because i was on exo test during all 4. So i distanced when i could and took more anti e.
Symptoms felt real to me.

I always sent out the "strong male figure" vibe to my kids and if anything it really cemented the whole "dad is a protector and provider" aspect. Which to me is great and is what i am meant to be in my eyes. Mom is the nurturer.

I dont see any reason for men to turn down thier test levels during early years for any reason. Turn off tren and any rage inducing compounds because your limits of patience will be tested, yes.

Bigbear always bringing out the interesting convos

 

[The Old Guy]

I think the worst shape I have every been in was when my son was a baby. Wife was depressed and we were eating crap food. Hardly sleeping and constantly stressed about money, not training in any fashion. So yeah would not be at all surprised if my test was very low at that time.