Does this look OK for a TRT+ / Cruise?

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bigcanadian

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I’ve been on 300mg test and 250 mg deca since spring. It’s time to dial things down a bit. I’m 54 so I don’t care if my balls ever work again 😆 and taking test for the foreseeable future doesn’t bother me at all. I’m really hoping to hold onto what I’ve accomplished. I was thinking 200mg test and 120mg primo. Mixed together, that would be 1ml Mon & Thurs. I did some reading yesterday and some guys recommend 1-2 tabs of proviron. I feel a cycle is only complete with an oral (I can only use anavar now). Mentally a couple of proviron per day would be great, but would the benefit be there? I’ve never used it. I was thinking about 2iu’s of GH, but I’m concerned about cancer cell growth and/or messing up my blood sugar. As I get older I need to allow my body to “rest” while still liking what I see in the mirror. Anyone with experience like to comment, please do! Thanks CB!!
 
bigcanadian said:
I’ve been on 300mg test and 250 mg deca since spring. It’s time to dial things down a bit. I’m 54 so I don’t care if my balls ever work again 😆 and taking test for the foreseeable future doesn’t bother me at all. I’m really hoping to hold onto what I’ve accomplished. I was thinking 200mg test and 120mg primo. Mixed together, that would be 1ml Mon & Thurs. I did some reading yesterday and some guys recommend 1-2 tabs of proviron. I feel a cycle is only complete with an oral (I can only use anavar now). Mentally a couple of proviron per day would be great, but would the benefit be there? I’ve never used it. I was thinking about 2iu’s of GH, but I’m concerned about cancer cell growth and/or messing up my blood sugar. As I get older I need to allow my body to “rest” while still liking what I see in the mirror. Anyone with experience like to comment, please do! Thanks CB!!
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I’m same age and could care less if my balls work again either. I am taking test now for the rest of my life, and am ok with that also.

Your test primo cycle looks good. I bet you’ll never need an ai on that, which is nice because estrogen management is a pain in the ass.

Right now I am running 250mg test with 2 iu of pharma gh a day. I feel pretty good. When I say pretty good, I mean I feel geared up, so the normal feeling I get from that, general stiffness, aching shoulders, like to sleep lots, lol.
As far as the cancer thing. Truthfully I don’t think about it. My thought is the healthier you are, the better you body functions including your immune system, the lower chance of cancer. So let’s say, you have low hormones, low gh, so your body is less efficient (weaker) wouldn’t that increase the chance of cancer more than when you have it running efficiently with hormone support? Now I’m not talking 500 mg of test with 6 iu of gh a day, but 250 test with 2iu, that should imporove our bodies systems should it not?

Truthfully I feel my best on 150 mg of test only a week, but I look so much better now then when on 150 test.

At 2 iu, I am having no blood sugar issues. Still within range.

Proviron for me really didn’t do anything except make me more horney, and I don’t need help there. I’d be ok if it tapers off a bit. Easier when you have been married almost 30 years.

Feel you on the rest thing. I can’t seem to abuse my body the same as I did even 6 years ago. I just get run down feeling. So I now take a day or two, give myself a break and then get back at it, or reduce my total load on my body.

As an example, if I’m coming home from work and building a deck at night till 9 pm every day, I’ll only do cardio, and keep the weight training down to a couple times a week. No way I could lift hard every night and work for 15 hours like I could when younger. But on the other side, even at my reduced capacity, I am still better than 80% out there including young guys.
 
From what I’ve been told that’s a great cruise for older guys. Not that I have any experience with primo at all unfortunately but looks good to me. Update is when you start!
 
bigcanadian said:
I’ve been on 300mg test and 250 mg deca since spring. It’s time to dial things down a bit. I’m 54 so I don’t care if my balls ever work again 😆 and taking test for the foreseeable future doesn’t bother me at all. I’m really hoping to hold onto what I’ve accomplished. I was thinking 200mg test and 120mg primo. Mixed together, that would be 1ml Mon & Thurs. I did some reading yesterday and some guys recommend 1-2 tabs of proviron. I feel a cycle is only complete with an oral (I can only use anavar now). Mentally a couple of proviron per day would be great, but would the benefit be there? I’ve never used it. I was thinking about 2iu’s of GH, but I’m concerned about cancer cell growth and/or messing up my blood sugar. As I get older I need to allow my body to “rest” while still liking what I see in the mirror. Anyone with experience like to comment, please do! Thanks CB!!
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I hate that guys "only" start to get serious bout neg health effects once they get older. I'm as guilty as anyone but I hammer that sentiment into any younger folks as often as possible, prioritizing that right from a young age is obviously the common sense things to do but humans gonna human.
I mini rant about that as a prelude to this- maybe it's time to pivot on your stance about orals? For this cruise/long cycle( :) ) what is the cost : benefit ratio? Seems the meathead consensus is that proviron is a weak ass roid, more of a synergistic enhancer, which I agree with for sure. Also seems that the consensus is almost no sides, this I don't agree with. I only ever used it 2x and the second time with T only I very carefully monitored it and it absolutely killed my lipids. I only personally know one other guy who has said the same but I don't think that most bother to watch for it so they might not know.
You're already getting DHT from the primo and even a bit from the T, IDK if there is a point of diminishing returns but I'd think you should be covered from being deficient.
 
Love the feedback guys, thanks so much :cool:

Sorbate--if you feel good on 150mg-250mg of test, then I should be perfect in the middle at 200mg. Proviron was just a thought. I have the test & primo on hand so no need to spend more money for this run. I don't know if I should have said "give my body rest". On of the things I do to my body is work out. Being on gear, even a smaller amount, helps my body recover. Its the working day & night 12hr shifts that kick the shit out of me. And even in the HOT weather, I've still been going to the humane society and giving the dogs short walks just so they can get out in the fresh air. Everything together wears me out by the time supper rolls around. But its what I enjoy, so I do it.

gondar1-- I think 98% of us would like to do things differently once we hit our 50's and realize we should have been smarter in our youth. Whether its financial decisions, a marriage, or how we ran our gear! But we were young and invincible and all the bad stuff wasn't going to happen until far into the future. I know you weren't shitting on me and I agree with you 100%. Thankfully I never got into drugs or drinking. I should have watched my diet better and been more aware of m BP. We can't change the past, but we can positively influence the future and that's what I'm doing and I bet you are too. As far as orals, 30mgs of anavar is my choice of oral and I usually get tired of remembering to take them after a week. I've never lasted more than 2wks.

oldguyjujitsu--thanks for backing up what the others have said. You know your stuff and I always pay attention to what you have to say. And proviron is gone from my cruise!

Jabroni--the plan is to start in a week, but other than posting in this thread, I probably won't be taking my cruise public.

Thanks again for the replies.
 
bigcanadian said:
Love the feedback guys, thanks so much :cool:

Sorbate--if you feel good on 150mg-250mg of test, then I should be perfect in the middle at 200mg. Proviron was just a thought. I have the test & primo on hand so no need to spend more money for this run. I don't know if I should have said "give my body rest". On of the things I do to my body is work out. Being on gear, even a smaller amount, helps my body recover. Its the working day & night 12hr shifts that kick the shit out of me. And even in the HOT weather, I've still been going to the humane society and giving the dogs short walks just so they can get out in the fresh air. Everything together wears me out by the time supper rolls around. But its what I enjoy, so I do it.

gondar1-- I think 98% of us would like to do things differently once we hit our 50's and realize we should have been smarter in our youth. Whether its financial decisions, a marriage, or how we ran our gear! But we were young and invincible and all the bad stuff wasn't going to happen until far into the future. I know you weren't shitting on me and I agree with you 100%. Thankfully I never got into drugs or drinking. I should have watched my diet better and been more aware of m BP. We can't change the past, but we can positively influence the future and that's what I'm doing and I bet you are too. As far as orals, 30mgs of anavar is my choice of oral and I usually get tired of remembering to take them after a week. I've never lasted more than 2wks.

oldguyjujitsu--thanks for backing up what the others have said. You know your stuff and I always pay attention to what you have to say. And proviron is gone from my cruise!

Jabroni--the plan is to start in a week, but other than posting in this thread, I probably won't be taking my cruise public.

Thanks again for the replies.
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Yep the hours can take a toll.

I just pay attention to my body and try not to over stress it too much, but stress it enough to still attain my goals.

Thanks god being huge isn’t one of my goals. I am an ok size, but being lean is more of a priority for me now.

I found that cardio has helped a lot for my stamina. I used to hardly do cardio, now I try to do it at least 5 times a week for 30 minutes at a high intensity. I am always moving and walking at work and when I do stuff at home, but real cardio on a machine or going for a jog is a completely different animal IMO.

You will like your cycle.

Thing is you will only know once you experiment. I do not know if you convert test into estrogen more now that you are older (I know I am), and if you find that happening, you can always bump up your primo and reduced your test. But I would wait 8 weeks before changing anything. Or you can do what I do and just take 0.5mg of adex once in a while once you notice you are getting a bit bitchy, lol.
 
That cruise is gtg for me. I go from 300 test 200 primo(long mini blast) to 160 test 100 primo all good in there no ai. I do make a point of dropping primo which is never fun.

Proviron is so worth it to me libido vitality wellness hardness. I hit a bag here bag there and go off as it is bad for my lipids. Alternate to like mk or cardarine. Those three all help me get more out of me at almost 60. Wife literally likes me more on proviron figure that one out. Legit mild ai here as well I love proviron.

@Sorbate I've been having success with HIT one or two groups 2 or 3 sets (1hit) days off between workouts for sure multiples ok Elbows and shoulder and hip and knees and fascia all need a break here haha don't stop but do way less for your joints is the answer here. Cheers
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
I am aligned with the above. I think on a cruise 150 test and 100-150 primo or mast is plenty.

I would skip proviron. The DHT will achieve the same effect without the negative impact on LDL.

For GH optimization I’ve been pleased with the effect I get from 300 mcg of ipamorelin/cjc 1295.
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Would second this, but at any age the body needs to be 'symbiotic' and not enhanced. If you have been taking testosterone and other compounds for years, if you stop cold turkey you will have low test (even with a PCT) if you are like most 50 plus aged people.
Orals are orals and even if one is used medically as oral TRT, I wouldn't take any long term and that comment is based on blood work. Proviron, like other DHT drugs will increase your free test or it should.
A cycle for me is what you consider an enhanced TRT or cruise so keep that in mind. I am more for TRT dosages only and then when I want a boost something like 100-150 Primo for 3 months has a significant impact. I notice a difference in strength, stamina, how I feel in general but nothing like taking Deca (example) in the same dosage or a higher dosage. Primo is a love/hate drug with many. I love it as my only blood work change from a health perspective at a low dosage is an increase in my lymphocyte count and from a hormone standpoint my free test will increase by 3 or 4 the max of the normal parameters. If you check your LH, SHBG, etc. you will see changes there too, but I am concentrating on test, free test, and estrogen (which it does not aromotize). If I was going to do an enhanced TRT, I would drop my test to 100 mg or lower and your total test should be in upper range or potentially just over.
If you really want the Primo - even 50-100 mg (no one can convince me this is a waste as it will outshine creatine and other products people take so if that is a waste so are so many of the supplements/products many use).

In other words give your body a break as test alone, even if you are at the top of the normal range, with a good diet, and training regimen - will help keep your gains.
I am an advocate for low dose HGH and the benefits, but it is a double edged sword. A low dose to keep your IGF at a reasonable range has recovery benefits and in general may make you feel great (if it doesn't completely mess up your sleep/for many of us it has a terrible impact on sleep which hampers recovery). IGF will help you grow, heal, etc. but not just muscles - if you were to develop a slow growing cancer, HGH is like pouring gas on the fire. They do a number of tests at hormone clinics before prescribing HGH followed by further monitoring and take a full history of cancers in the family.
All the same - I only used script HGH and it was the only time in my life I could hammer it at the gym, take a very short break and then go train boxing, kickboxing, or another taxing sport afterwards.
I have been considering what @Oldguyjiujitsu speaks about regarding peptides vs. HGH, but have not yet.

If you feel you need that much - who am I to say don't do it, but I would forget the Proviron as you will be getting the benefits from Primo anyway, and hopefully none of the negatives you get Proviron.
Best of luck no matter what you do.
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
I am aligned with the above. I think on a cruise 150 test and 100-150 primo or mast is plenty.

I would skip proviron. The DHT will achieve the same effect without the negative impact on LDL.

For GH optimization I’ve been pleased with the effect I get from 300 mcg of ipamorelin/cjc 1295.
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Have you taken it b4 bed or walking up and fasting a few hours ?
 
Darkstalker said:
Have you taken it b4 bed or walking up and fasting a few hours ?
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I assume you mean the ipamorelin. I have my last meal at 8:30 PM and then take the peptide between 1030 and 11 on the way to bed.

I’m a good sleeper so I’ve never seen the benefit there, but I definitely recover faster and have more energy. When I’m done my workouts, I never feel drained and always feel I could do more. I have to be disciplined not to add volume when on the peptide. I feel the same way when taking BPC, but this is noticeably more.
 
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