new to insulin

I will never advocate to downplay the power of insulin. If you don’t respect insulin, it will kil you.

However.....4iu of slin shouldn’t make you go hypo under almost any circumstance.

Regardless......Why make this guesswork? Buy a BGM so you can see how you are actually responding and you can eat accordingly. Every single new insulin user should use one and record how they respond initially and during subsequent peaks.

Also triple check that dose..... you wouldn’t be the first guy to mess it up and sure won’t be the last. Even experienced users can make a mistake.
 
biguglynewf said:
I will never advocate to downplay the power of insulin. If you don’t respect insulin, it will kil you.

However.....4iu of slin shouldn’t make you go hypo under almost any circumstance.

Regardless......Why make this guesswork? Buy a BGM so you can see how you are actually responding and you can eat accordingly. Every single new insulin user should use one and record how they respond initially and during subsequent peaks.

Also triple check that dose..... you wouldn’t be the first guy to mess it up and sure won’t be the last. Even experienced users can make a mistake.
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I'm with newf on this one. 4iu of humulin-r shouldn't cause anybody to go hypo under most circumstances. Hell, even 4iu of humalog shouldn't. I've used 5iu of novorapid to force ketosis faster with no issues.

What I'm seeing in this thread is a lot of generalization on insulin use and very little proper advice being shared. Not once do I see the words Onset, Peak and Duration in this thread which are 3 of the most important things you need to understand with insulin use and could keep you alive.

4iu of a slower acting insulin with 500+g sugar from chocolate bars and energy drinks isn't the right way to do this. And definitely not going hypoglycemic. If anything you may be going hyperglycemic. But without a BGM, you won't know for sure. It's not like they're expensive, they're FREE! It's the strips they rape you on. Go get one and learn what's really going on and make the proper adjustments and timing based on your findings.
 
Onterrible said:
I hadnt been eating enough and even at 4iu I was burning through all my sugar and going hypo. Had to massively increase my caloric intake. Going better now and not seeing stars or getting faint anymore. I guess I am pretty sensitive to it. skipped a couple days over the holidays and now back at it.

keeping at 4iu for now and on days off will bump to 6 since im not burning as much energy.
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For me i dont use it on non training days. Only post workout to force the glycogen into my muscles (thats my understanding, dont jump on me if not accurate:)
I also found if snacking on something like organic jelly beans while i train i can use more post workout without going hypo cause already lots surgar in my blood.
I also try to stick with surgar sources that are primarily glucose or even dextrose.
 
Best advice I can give is measure your blood glucose levels throughout a normal day of eating. First thing when u wake up mesure it, before a meal, after a meal and before bed to get your baseline. Then go from there. You should dose your insulin in accordance to the glucose your taking in, not vice versa. Also without gh along side, it will ruin your physique. If you don’t compete in bb this may not be a concern for you but you lose your skins elasticity and your skin just gets thicker and thicker. You start to lose your lines.
 
Onterrible said:
what do I buy (rapid?) what dose should I start at? when do I takr it. I am using for bulk and to i crease appetite
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If you ask 100 different people for an insulin protocol to bulk you will get 100 different responses... so I will simply post what worked best for me after trying probably 10 different methods and trying 3 different types of insulin at all different times of day and under all different protocols.

What worked best for me

1st best: Humulin R post workout & first thing in themorning, started with 6iu both times and added 2iu to each dose every 7 days until I was up to 12iu and then stayed at 12iu for 3 or 4 weeks then stopped. gained 15lb over that time.

2nd best: Humulog R pre workout and Humulin R in the morning. started with 6iu and added 2iu to each dose every 7 days until I was at 12iu and then stayed at that dose for 4 weeks. I absolutely loved the pre workout humalog and I found that I gained less water weigh by only using the humulin R once per day and the pumps were the greatest pumps I have ever had. My muscles were so pumped I was in so much pain from the pumps nothing compares to that not even sythol pre workout.

3rd: Humalog 5 x per day... pre workout / post workout / breakfast/ and 2 other meals throughout the day. I used 5iu with every meal and 10iu pre and post workout. This protocol gained the least amount of size on me but I was leaner than any other protocol I have used. Tdis showed me that Humulin R just adds alot more water than humalog. I think this protocol was the best for adding quality muscle. I only ran it for 4 weeks though, compared to the other protocols that i ran for 8-12 weeks. But that's because I was using Humalog with such frequency that if i stayed on this protocol too long I would risk serious health problems and I didn't want my body to stop producing its own insulin with meals.
 
Insulin resistance is a general side effect of AAS use .Like type 2 diabetes -the answer is not increasing insulin which leads to further complications with the system.Taking metformin or ALA or Berberine //cinnamon //bitter melon opens the cells to nutrient transport as well as exercise really helps--lol lower complex carbs and fiber help
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160913184951.htm
 
Randy said:
My suggestion as the rapid insulin use can kill you in an hour if you get it wrong ---Alpha Lipoic Acid is much safer with good results..Especially if combined with Berberine-----https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/teen-derek30.htm
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I'm sorry, but no. ALA is nowhere near in the same league as insulin. We're talking major leagues vs mini mites here. Or a gram of test vs tribulus. I don't care what you take it with, they just don't stack up next to each other at all.

As a side note, all my natty buddy's claim R-ALA to be significantly more effective than regular ALA.
 
Agreed that the R form is 2-3 x stronger[better].Am not saying it is as good as insulin but 300-600mg is a safe reasonable method to increase protein//carb transport into cells to enhance growth/recuperation as well as counteract insulin resistance from higher doses of Test.There is not much danger from that as there is in insulin.I was an RN for a few decades and have seen many incidents of low blood sugar coma from improper insulin doses.
Although there is no official statistic for the number of deaths per year from hypoglycemia, I did come across a staggering figure that the JDRF (Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation) displayed in an ad back in November of 2011. It states that 1 in 20 people will die of low blood sugar taking insulin
I am not against insulin use but caution users to be very careful and be very aware that some extra exercise and wrong timing can be deadly.Be aware of the symptoms of lower BS and have dextrose/sugar etc very handy a low BS can progress from shakes to unconscious in minutes.Confusion can be one of the 1st and then poorer decision making follows
Symptoms of low blood sugar can occur suddenly. They include:
I only wish for the best for each one of us and information is our friend-then make whatever decision that calls to you
 
Onterrible said:
I hadnt been eating enough and even at 4iu I was burning through all my sugar and going hypo. Had to massively increase my caloric intake. Going better now and not seeing stars or getting faint anymore. I guess I am pretty sensitive to it. skipped a couple days over the holidays and now back at it.

keeping at 4iu for now and on days off will bump to 6 since im not burning as much energy.
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I was just wondering if everyone knows you can walk into any drug store and buy insulin without a perscription..$26 at Costco for a bottle of rapid Humulin[15 min onset--5 hr duration].
 
IronRobi said:
I'm sorry, but no. ALA is nowhere near in the same league as insulin. We're talking major leagues vs mini mites here. Or a gram of test vs tribulus. I don't care what you take it with, they just don't stack up next to each other at all.

As a side note, all my natty buddy's claim R-ALA to be significantly more effective than regular ALA.
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Agreed. No idea how someone can come up with that statement.

I've used all the form of ala. Including the NA R ala. These forms ON PAPER look magnificent. In real life. normal ala@300mg with a high carb meal works very nice. No sugar crash, ya get proper utilisation of carbs (for lack of better words but don't want people getting technical on me and saying my post is shit...)

ALA was what they put in the muscle tech creatine product that gave it an edge over the others. Also, many health properties to this one and is very inexpensive to use.

Close to slin? Not a chance.
 
Randy said:
I was just wondering if everyone knows you can walk into any drug store and buy insulin without a perscription..$26 at Costco for a bottle of rapid Humulin[15 min onset--5 hr duration].
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Randy said:
My suggestion as the rapid insulin use can kill you in an hour if you get it wrong ---Alpha Lipoic Acid is much safer with good results..Especially if combined with Berberine-----https://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/teen-derek30.htm
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I don't think you've ever used slin to make such a post and it is borderline maddening to read such crap here.

Ya feel kinda funny before any of that happpens, trust me. If a person ignores all the sweating, blurry vision and dies, this is just natural selection taking place.

End of f'in story.
 
I have used humalog and humalin r. I would suggest starting with humalog as it is in and out of the system much faster. This way if you run into in issues it is easier to come back from. I would start with a low dose like 5iu post work out and go from there. Once you get a good feeling for it and know how much carbs you need you can start using it preworkout and post workout. There are many different ways to use it but I always found pre and post the best way.
 
Randy said:
Warned of downsides.May cause more research..Everyone gets to make their own choice.My job---done.:giggle:
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/big-dead-bodybuilders ----a list of younger dead bodybuilders 1/2 way down page.
Moderation is key unless you make a living at bodybuilding etc
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I see a lot of heart attacks on that list, only 1 "undisclosed reasons" which could maybe be insulin related? But aside from that, nothing that even remotely indicates insulin was related to any of these deaths.

I'd just quit while you're ahead here :p
 
Not saying they were insulin related but we never know as in the case of Rich Piana because extra insulin is hard to track.I merely am pointing out that these are quite young deaths that obviously are directly related to excessive use of hormone enhancement...What I continue to say is try to use the least amount of hormone manipulation to achieve your goals and be realistic about what you can create with the genetic tools you have in the context of your career/family/health goals---I ask myself--do I need the risk associated with gaining an extra few lbs of muscle/strength ? As I said above -if your answer is yes then by all means do what you need to do.To me a great Life is a Questioned Life.Be well-live your Life to the max but question your motives.Please weigh the % of gains against results and risk in every aspect of Life
Incidentally I am a retired RN who was an Insulin/Diabetic Educator --different body types respond to insulin doses with a wide variety of reactions.Something as simple as injecting S/C in the shoulder/arm. gives a slower absorption response than 2 inches out from navel

However I shall quit now as you suggest IronRobi.Everyone will do as they do anyway..lol-thanks for the repartee
 
Well,Year’s back I used a very small dose of humalog after a heavy carb meal.No warning sides,heart rate immediately skyrocketted,if I didn’t have sugar tabs and coke ready I don’t know what might have happened.Two big waves and then a smaller inside of 10-15 mins.Never again.
 
Cog said:
Well,Year’s back I used a very small dose of humalog after a heavy carb meal.No warning sides,heart rate immediately skyrocketted,if I didn’t have sugar tabs and coke ready I don’t know what might have happened.Two big waves and then a smaller inside of 10-15 mins.Never again.
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humalog is the WORST for that and does not put on muscle like the longer lasting versions. For all the shots you would need to do in a day to put on actual mass, it is complete shit.

If... YOu had a HUGE carb meal as you claim and a small dose of slin... Bro, it IMPOSSIBLE to feel those effects you claim right away.

If you're too scared of something, just don't do it. Your mind is playing tricks on you.
 
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