Canada post strike update Nov 18, 2018

[QUOTE="animal-inside, post: 15258, member: 190"]I hate my mother in law lol... I am not doing anything honorable for her. I did get some insight into the CP issues from her and the other postal workers. My mother in law did not get along with her co workers either. They hated her and she hated them. I would speak the same about any strike if the underlying issues were the same.

Again, your holding it against the workers that they are striking and inconviencing you. I get that for sure. The strike has REALLY made our lives difficult due to our remote town. We buy so much on line from car parts to personal hygiene. Some retailers will only use CP. We just have a P.O. box so we can't get anything by courier either. Courier will only deliver to a address, not a PO box. They will not deliver to our house either. So essentially I think we are deffinitely feeling the pain from this strike, but again I support them.

Being a teacher and seeing where things have gone I can see us striking in the next few years. I support them and understand their cause beause if I need to strike I hope people take the time to understand, support me and not hate me because they have to find baby sitters for their kids.

Unfortunately, striking is often the only way to stand up to somethign that is unjust. Its a shitty aspect of standing up for whats right and I highly doubt workers who strike want to inconvience anyone except their employer. I don;t think any CP worker wants to cinconveicne me.

I don't know the time line myself, but I don't think it was planned to happen during Christmas. I think planning it before Christmas would be dumb. A strike during the holidays is just asking for the government to step in and mandate a back to work policy thus making the strike pointless.

Like I said, you need to fight for every inch everytime when it comes to corporations and govenrment.. Because they are constantly fighting to get an inch from you.


In our last contract my teaching association asked for NOTHING.. When I stood up and said we need to ask for something even if we know we wont get it because there;s no way the school board is not going to try to take somethign from us and we need something to ask for so that they must negoate against our asks.. Nope.. I was told "no.. our school board looks out for us.. They want whats in our best interest"... Fuck, that absolutely blew up in our faces. The school board hired a major top negoatior and had a huge lists of demands that negtively affected teachers. And there we were with some joe schmo biology teacher/assiot rep standing there with zero wants/demands against a guy who makes 150,000$ a year by getting corporations contracts that greatly benefits them. It was a joke.. It was like sending a mouse into a lions den and we lost big time. It was no coindcidense the school board hired that guy to get what they wanted from us.[/QUOTE]


Heheheheh i get where your coming from, i feel you bro. I just dont feel the same way as you. Like i said, we'll just have to agree to disagree ;)


* Just to correct you on something, though - thankfully, I actually haven't been inconvenienced by the strike, even in the slightest. All the best, brother
 
animal-inside said:
I hate my mother in law lol... I am not doing anything honorable for her. I did get some insight into the CP issues from her and the other postal workers. My mother in law did not get along with her co workers either. They hated her and she hated them. I would speak the same about any strike if the underlying issues were the same.

Again, your holding it against the workers that they are striking and inconviencing you. I get that for sure. The strike has REALLY made our lives difficult due to our remote town. We buy so much on line from car parts to personal hygiene. Some retailers will only use CP. We just have a P.O. box so we can't get anything by courier either. Courier will only deliver to a address, not a PO box. They will not deliver to our house either. So essentially I think we are deffinitely feeling the pain from this strike, but again I support them.

Being a teacher and seeing where things have gone I can see us striking in the next few years. I support them and understand their cause beause if I need to strike I hope people take the time to understand, support me and not hate me because they have to find baby sitters for their kids.

Unfortunately, striking is often the only way to stand up to somethign that is unjust. Its a shitty aspect of standing up for whats right and I highly doubt workers who strike want to inconvience anyone except their employer. I don;t think any CP worker wants to cinconveicne me.

I don't know the time line myself, but I don't think it was planned to happen during Christmas. I think planning it before Christmas would be dumb. A strike during the holidays is just asking for the government to step in and mandate a back to work policy thus making the strike pointless.

Like I said, you need to fight for every inch everytime when it comes to corporations and govenrment.. Because they are constantly fighting to get an inch from you.


In our last contract my teaching association asked for NOTHING.. When I stood up and said we need to ask for something even if we know we wont get it because there;s no way the school board is not going to try to take somethign from us and we need something to ask for so that they must negoate against our asks.. Nope.. I was told "no.. our school board looks out for us.. They want whats in our best interest"... Fuck, that absolutely blew up in our faces. The school board hired a major top negoatior and had a huge lists of demands that negtively affected teachers. And there we were with some joe schmo biology teacher/assiot rep standing there with zero wants/demands against a guy who makes 150,000$ a year by getting corporations contracts that greatly benefits them. It was a joke.. It was like sending a mouse into a lions den and we lost big time. It was no coindcidense the school board hired that guy to get what they wanted from us.
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I’m sorry but that is what nagoiating is about. Of course the school board is going in guns blazing because I bet they didn’t think you were going to roll over. That is the fault of the people negating for you, not the school board.
If you had demands, I bet that alot of those items you have been burdened with would have been taken off the table as leverage. God I can only imagine the disbelief the school board and their negoiator had when they ran you guys over.

Next time hopefully you are more prepared. Blaming someone else for your associations/teacher who negoited failures will do no good. Next contract make sure you are far more prepared. I’ve been there and it has not happened to me since. My rent is $3 a sq ft lower than everyone else in my strip mall for a reason.

I am truly sorry it happened to you guys.
 
Bolton73 said:
[QUOTE="animal-inside, post: 15258, member: 190"]I hate my mother in law lol... I am not doing anything honorable for her. I did get some insight into the CP issues from her and the other postal workers. My mother in law did not get along with her co workers either. They hated her and she hated them. I would speak the same about any strike if the underlying issues were the same.

Again, your holding it against the workers that they are striking and inconviencing you. I get that for sure. The strike has REALLY made our lives difficult due to our remote town. We buy so much on line from car parts to personal hygiene. Some retailers will only use CP. We just have a P.O. box so we can't get anything by courier either. Courier will only deliver to a address, not a PO box. They will not deliver to our house either. So essentially I think we are deffinitely feeling the pain from this strike, but again I support them.

Being a teacher and seeing where things have gone I can see us striking in the next few years. I support them and understand their cause beause if I need to strike I hope people take the time to understand, support me and not hate me because they have to find baby sitters for their kids.

Unfortunately, striking is often the only way to stand up to somethign that is unjust. Its a shitty aspect of standing up for whats right and I highly doubt workers who strike want to inconvience anyone except their employer. I don;t think any CP worker wants to cinconveicne me.

I don't know the time line myself, but I don't think it was planned to happen during Christmas. I think planning it before Christmas would be dumb. A strike during the holidays is just asking for the government to step in and mandate a back to work policy thus making the strike pointless.

Like I said, you need to fight for every inch everytime when it comes to corporations and govenrment.. Because they are constantly fighting to get an inch from you.


In our last contract my teaching association asked for NOTHING.. When I stood up and said we need to ask for something even if we know we wont get it because there;s no way the school board is not going to try to take somethign from us and we need something to ask for so that they must negoate against our asks.. Nope.. I was told "no.. our school board looks out for us.. They want whats in our best interest"... Fuck, that absolutely blew up in our faces. The school board hired a major top negoatior and had a huge lists of demands that negtively affected teachers. And there we were with some joe schmo biology teacher/assiot rep standing there with zero wants/demands against a guy who makes 150,000$ a year by getting corporations contracts that greatly benefits them. It was a joke.. It was like sending a mouse into a lions den and we lost big time. It was no coindcidense the school board hired that guy to get what they wanted from us.
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Heheheheh i get where your coming from, i feel you bro. I just dont feel the same way as you. Like i said, we'll just have to agree to disagree ;)


* Just to correct you on something, though - thankfully, I actually haven't been inconvenienced by the strike, even in the slightest. All the best, brother[/QUOTE]


For sure, no worries. I know many don't agree with the CP strike or my views. Life goes on.
 
I understand your perspective Animal, but I believe it’s important to note that not “all” big corporations will do everything they can to fuck employees...

The are great corporations that actively maintain balance between employees, customers and shareholders. (Not saying Canada Post is one of these)

You obviously have to run a business by the numbers, but can/must do so while considering the perspectives of everyone involved to ensure long-term stability.

I understand you have family involved, but you are receiving and sharing incorrect info...
I’ll share some facts:

The rural CUPW workers already received a 25% raise retroactive back to 2016 in September. That’s about a $15K/year raise for all rural carriers (plus additional benefits).

To say Canada Post is “booming” and making record profits from parcels in the wake of near bankruptcy is laughable. If union workers are pissed because CPC isn’t sharing the profits, they’d be really pissed if they were sharing the losses.

Canada Post recorded a loss of over $240 Million in Q2 of 2018 vs a profit of $27 Million in the same period last year.

My personal opinion is that there will be bias and bullshit when an “us vs them” model of employee/employer structure exists. I think unions can get in the way of good working relationships and actually hurt members when dues are mis-managed. But if I take personal opinion out of it- not all unions are bad and not all big corporations are bad.

I think it’s too bad that CUPW didn’t accept Canada Post’s offer today to pay all union members $1000 to have a cooling off period, return to work and continue the negotiations. The employees can probably use it as strike pay is barely anything.

It will be interesting to see where this goes...I hope a full lockout doesn’t happen and both parties can come to an agreement, but at this point things are going to be crippled for Christmas.
 
I just had an order for work shipped by a courier yesterday, instead of Canada post. This did cost more but I’m left with no choice as I needed the materials.

Unions need to realize this is the reality. When you strike your customers find other suppliers as their business/ life need to continue and many times they will continue to use these alternates after the strike.

This will result in a loss of market share for CP and guess what that means, less need for boots on the ground to deliver the parcels.
 
Matlock said:
I understand your perspective Animal, but I believe it’s important to note that not “all” big corporations will do everything they can to fuck employees...

The are great corporations that actively maintain balance between employees, customers and shareholders. (Not saying Canada Post is one of these)

You obviously have to run a business by the numbers, but can/must do so while considering the perspectives of everyone involved to ensure long-term stability.

I understand you have family involved, but you are receiving and sharing incorrect info...
I’ll share some facts:

The rural CUPW workers already received a 25% raise retroactive back to 2016 in September. That’s about a $15K/year raise for all rural carriers (plus additional benefits).

To say Canada Post is “booming” and making record profits from parcels in the wake of near bankruptcy is laughable. If union workers are pissed because CPC isn’t sharing the profits, they’d be really pissed if they were sharing the losses.

Canada Post recorded a loss of over $240 Million in Q2 of 2018 vs a profit of $27 Million in the same period last year.

My personal opinion is that there will be bias and bullshit when an “us vs them” model of employee/employer structure exists. I think unions can get in the way of good working relationships and actually hurt members when dues are mis-managed. But if I take personal opinion out of it- not all unions are bad and not all big corporations are bad.

I think it’s too bad that CUPW didn’t accept Canada Post’s offer today to pay all union members $1000 to have a cooling off period, return to work and continue the negotiations. The employees can probably use it as strike pay is barely anything.

It will be interesting to see where this goes...I hope a full lockout doesn’t happen and both parties can come to an agreement, but at this point things are going to be crippled for Christmas.
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Not saying there's no way your correct, but where did you get those numbers? They are different than the ones I was told and read. I find it hard to believe rural carriers got a 15k a year raise in 2016 because in 2017 my mother in law had enough of the bs and retired. I'm pretty sure she would have stayed on for another 1k a month in pay. There might be a catch like full time rural carriers got that retroactive raise maybe?

There's other issue at work if they lost 240 mil loss vs 27 mil profit from 2018 to 2017. According to what I've seen and heard, CP is taking in much more revenue in sales. Perhaps they did poorly this year overall, but their sales don't show that.



I deffinitely agree my union dues are really mis managed. It's been dicussed in open forums actually.
 
Global News asked the Office of the Prime Minister if Trudeau is going to impose a back-to-work order but a spokesperson said she could not comment.
Employment Minister Patty Hajdu told Global News that the government is willing to table legislation if negotiations don’t bear fruit.
“Our government has faith in the collective bargaining process. We believe that the best deals are reached at the bargaining table,” Hajdu said.
“For nearly a year, we have been supporting and encouraging both sides to reach a negotiated agreement. We provided conciliation officers, appointed mediators, and offered voluntary arbitration. Despite all of this, limited progress was made and we have exhausted our options.
“We have re-appointed the special mediator to work with the parties to reach an agreement. We strongly encourage both sides to reach a deal and are prepared to table legislation if we do not see a resolution over the next few days – a step we do not take lightly.”
 
Essential 'public' services like mail delivery and education that are carried out by state owned enterprises should not be driven by corporate profit, period. I'm old enough to remember when this concept was the prevailing belief. Governments have no business in profit driven sectors. They maintained a monopoly over mail delivery since its inception as the Royal Mail Canada in 1867. That monopoly was created and maintained with tax dollars under the Post Office Department of the Canadian Governments of the day. The idea that the postal service should be 'independent of, yet owned by government, as well as profitable' is just a nonsensical justification of squeezing citizens for every penny they can. Pay employees a living wage and drop the lunacy of crown corporations demanding profit for their services, simply because they can. They are supposed to work for the citizens, not gouge them and disrupt services because they are attempting to gouge their employees as well. Why does Canada Post think they have a right to pay their rural and suburban employees up to 25% less than urban employees.
 
Posted on Nov. 20, 2018 by Canada Post in Customer Alerts

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) has started strikes in Sudbury, ON and Calgary, AB, while strikes continue in Prince George, B.C. and southwestern Ontario: in Woodstock, St. Thomas, Chatham and at three delivery facilities in Scarborough (Markham, Richmond Hill Main and West Beaver Creek).
Meanwhile, strikes have ended in Kelowna, B.C. and Kitchener, Ont.
The strikes are now into their fifth week and have touched virtually every Canada Post facility and every Canadian address so far.
The postal service remains operational, but Canada Post has advised commercial customers that it is not able to honour its delivery standards for any product because of prolonged and ongoing rotating strikes. The strikes have created massive backlogs of mail and parcels already in our network, just days before we expect millions more parcels from Black Friday and Cyber Monday online sales.
While there will be delays across the country, Canada Post expects the worst delays for mail and parcels will be for items that originate or are destined for southern and southwestern Ontario.
 
Hey
animal-inside said:
Not saying there's no way your correct, but where did you get those numbers? They are different than the ones I was told and read. I find it hard to believe rural carriers got a 15k a year raise in 2016 because in 2017 my mother in law had enough of the bs and retired. I'm pretty sure she would have stayed on for another 1k a month in pay. There might be a catch like full time rural carriers got that retroactive raise maybe?

There's other issue at work if they lost 240 mil loss vs 27 mil profit from 2018 to 2017. According to what I've seen and heard, CP is taking in much more revenue in sales. Perhaps they did poorly this year overall, but their sales don't show that.



I deffinitely agree my union dues are really mis managed. It's been dicussed in open forums actually.
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Hey Animal,

The 25% raise to rural mail carriers was just awarded in September of this year (2 months ago) but they paid that increase retroactive to 2016 meaning they got a bump as if they had been making that 25% extra the whole time.

“https://www.benefitscanada.com/news...-up-to-25-raise-in-pay-equity-decision-119338

Canada Posts’ annual and quarterly revenue is available on their public website.

I agree- they should not be driven by profit as a Government enterprise..

Sad thing is that some working for small businesses that still send cheques in the mail aren’t getting paid. Socio-Economic cheques are still being processed twice weekly for those that rely on them.
 
Posted on Nov. 21, 2018 by Canada Post in Customer Alerts

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) has started strikes in Acton, Georgetown and Tillsonburg, as well as at the Bolton post office, in Ontario. Strikes also continue in Sudbury, Oshawa and Scarborough (Willowdale B, Willowdale D and 55 Tempo delivery facilities), Ont., in Kamloops, B.C., and in Calgary, Alta.
Meanwhile, strikes have ended in Prince George, B.C., Woodstock, St. Thomas, Chatham and at three other Scarborough, Ont. delivery facilities.
The strikes are now into their fifth week and have touched virtually every Canada Post facility and every Canadian address so far.
The postal service remains operational, but Canada Post has advised commercial customers that it is not able to honour its delivery standards for any product because of prolonged and ongoing rotating strikes. The strikes have created massive backlogs of mail and parcels already in our network, just days before we expect millions more parcels from Black Friday and Cyber Monday online sales.
While there will be delays across the country, Canada Post expects the worst delays for mail and parcels will be for items that originate or are destined for southern and southwestern Ontario.
 
Matlock said:
Hey Animal,

The 25% raise to rural mail carriers was just awarded in September of this year (2 months ago) but they paid that increase retroactive to 2016 meaning they got a bump as if they had been making that 25% extra the whole time.

“https://www.benefitscanada.com/news...-up-to-25-raise-in-pay-equity-decision-119338

Canada Posts’ annual and quarterly revenue is available on their public website.

I agree- they should not be driven by profit as a Government enterprise..

Sad thing is that some working for small businesses that still send cheques in the mail aren’t getting paid. Socio-Economic cheques are still being processed twice weekly for those that rely on them.
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Nice article matlock!
 
Posted on Nov. 22, 2018 by Canada Post in Customer Alerts

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) has started strikes Thursday morning in Pickering, Dryden, Elliot Lake and Blind River, Ont. Strikes also continue in the following other Ontario locations: Acton, Georgetown, Tillsonburg, the Ajax delivery facility and the Bolton post office. Strikes also continue in Calgary, Alta., and in Kamloops, B.C.
Meanwhile, strikes have ended in Oshawa, Sudbury and at three delivery centres in Scarborough, Ont.
The strikes are into their fifth week and have touched virtually every Canada Post facility and every Canadian address.
The postal service remains operational, but Canada Post has advised commercial customers that it is not able to honour its delivery standards for any product because of prolonged and ongoing rotating strikes. The strikes have created massive backlogs of mail and parcels already in our network, just days before we expect millions more parcels from Black Friday and Cyber Monday online sales.
While there will be delays across the country, Canada Post expects the worst delays for mail and parcels will be for items that originate or are destined for southern and southwestern Ontario
 
Federal Labour Minister Patty Hajdu says the federal Liberals have given the House of Commons notice that they're prepared to legislate Canada Post employees back to work.
Hajdu says 48 hours' notice is required before introducing back-to-work legislation, but insisted that having done so doesn't mean the government will make the move to end rotating strikes by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers.
"We have complete flexibility about when we'll introduce that legislation," Hajdu told reporters before the Liberal caucus meeting Wednesday morning.

The government has also reappointed Morton Mitchnick as a special mediator in the labour battle and Hajdu said she'll let him take the time he needs.
"We've given notice to the House, we are extremely serious, [but] I really don't want to have to use back-to-work legislation," said Hajdu. "But having said that, this is a really busy time of year, people are relying on Canada Post to deliver packages, small and medium-size businesses are relying on Canada Post to have a profitable season, and our economy needs Canada Post to be able to function in a smooth way."

Canada Post is dealing with a fifth week of rotating strikes by thousands of unionized workers as both sides remain apart in contract negotiations.
Hajdu said the parties have already had a long time to work out a deal but she expects them to work hard over the next couple of days to reach an agreement.
 
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Canada Post back-to-work bill passes during late night Commons sitting

Legislation ordering postal workers back to work was passed in the House of Commons during a special session that dragged on into the wee hours of Saturday morning.

Bill C-89 passed third reading by a vote of 166 to 43.

The Senate is now set to sit Saturday and, if necessary, Sunday, to deal with the bill, which would go into effect at noon eastern time on the day following royal assent.
The legislative push came as Ottawa, as well as smaller towns in Ontario and British Columbia, and Sherbrooke, Que., became the latest targets of rotating strikes by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers.

Despite the rush to pass the legislation, Labour Minister Patty Hajdu encouraged Canada Post and CUPW to remain at the bargaining table.

"They can still pull a deal off," she said.

That said, Hajdu added: "Obviously, we would prefer that the parties are able to negotiate an agreement together, but the time has come that we need to be prepared to take action if they cannot."

Hajdu referred to mail delivery as an "essential service" and said small businesses that rely on the postal service to deliver their goods over the busy Christmas season could go bankrupt if the situation isn't remedied quickly.

"And when I say small, I mean really small. I mean people that, you know, sell marmalade or handmade goods, that this is the most profitable time of their year and if they are unable to make their earnings this time of year, they very well might be facing the end of their business."

NDP, labour leaders slam bill
Labour leaders and New Democrat MPs slammed the government for undermining the collective-bargaining process. The government has removed all incentive for Canada Post to reach a negotiated settlement now that the agency knows workers will be ordered back to work by early next week, they charged.

"The right to strike is an integral part of the collective bargaining process," said Canadian Labour Congress president Hassan Yussuff. "Without it, an employer has no incentive to bargain in good faith, and workers have no recourse to demand a fair process."

Canada Post seems to have convinced Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that Christmas wouldn't come without a back-to-work bill, added CUPW president Mike Palecek.

"The mail was moving, and people know it," he said. "People have been getting their mail and online orders delivered. That was the point of our rotating-strike tactics, not to pick a fight with the public."

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh accused the Liberals of hypocrisy, professing to believe in the right to collective bargaining while bringing in what he called the "worst, most draconian" back-to-work legislation.

"They've shown their true face ... that this government is not a friend of working people," Singh said.


New Democrat MPs had voted against a motion to speed up debate on the back-to-work legislation, with many making an elaborate show of walking out of the Commons after voting, raising their fists in salute to postal workers watching from the public gallery. The votes of those who walked out were not counted.

Six New Democrats remained in the chamber — representative of the small number the party maintained would get a chance to speak during the subsequent expedited debate on the bill.

Constitutional concerns
CUPW maintains the bill is unconstitutional and is threatening to challenge it in court.

The union won a court challenge against back-to-work legislation imposed on postal workers in 2011 by the previous Conservative government. The court ruled in 2016 that by removing workers' right to strike, the bill violated their right to freedom of association and expression.

Hajdu argued that her bill is "dramatically different" from the "heavy-handed" approach taken by the Harper government and takes into account the concerns of both the union and Canada Post.

But two independent senators, Frances Lankin and Diane Griffin, wrote Hajdu to express their concern that the bill may not be constitutional. The pair said Hajdu had promised to issue a government analysis detailing how the bill does not violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms but it still had not materialized by Friday evening.
 
I have a hard time understanding how the working class people of Canada support the Canadian government stepping in and ending a legal strike.
 
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