Oldguyjiujitsu and Sorbate's Road to 50!

Oldguyjiujitsu said:
I hear you brother… That’s the joys of being our age. I just got my blood work emailed over to me...the stuff that was supposed to be an issue is not an issue But they found something else that might be an issue LOL

At least we will be on a level playing field I’m still on just test. I will add the Primo in in a couple weeks.

Interesting note. On 100 mg my free test is ALWAYS in the 550 range. And this blood work it was flagged at “over range” 766. And I’ve taken nothing extra for months


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That weird, maybe your test is overdosed, lol
Or maybe something else you are taking is lowering your shbg?

Yeah, I'm only going to run 200 mg a week. This vein is getting bad fast. Fucking thing is itchy all day. I bought some compression socks, but no leg training or cardio.
I got my referral to a OHIP doctor, so I bet I won't have to pay. The way its progressing I bet they do it fairly quick as well. If I had to guess its reflux form the vein in my thigh, only thing that makes sense for why its getting bigger so fast. Just makes sense on a mechanical standpoint.

Maybe after this I'll be ok for a while, lol.
 
The Old Guy said:
Good job @Sorbate you are really following that diet I laid out for you to a tee.
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Oh I was getting pretty fat, I cut that shit out and have now hit a nice steady 189. I’m hoping to gain muscle as I reduce body fat, like I’ve done likely 10 times before.
I find if I keep the protien stupidly high I’m fine. Well and gear doesn’t hurt.
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
Quick picture of @Sorbate with his lunch sandwich board outside his butcher shop. Your dirty bulk plan looks right on schedule!! Congrats my friend

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I was getting there for sure. I cut back about 2 weeks ago and lost some bloat. I was eating till I was going to puke for a couple of months. I wanted to hit that 200 lb mark.
Then my wife says to me, at 200 lbs and even half assed lean, no one will believe at 50 you did this naturally. They will think all your gains were from the gear.
Damn, that kinda pissed me off because we all know people think that kinda shit.
So I guess when I’m damn near 200 lbs next summer guys will look down on me as their wives stare, lol,

I go tomorrow to the vascular surgeon for the vein, I guess we will see what he thinks.
I’m still training, I just wear a 20-30 hg compression for training and 10-15 gh compression at work. Hoping things won’t get worse.
I don’t mind wearing the 10-15 ones, your feet don’t hurt at the end of the day, plus I always wore higher socks anyways so really no difference.
 
So went for my ultrasound this morning, Yeah there is a bunch of damaged valves in a superficial vein up in my thigh, about 2 valves down from the main branch. So anyhow I will find out this after noon what they are going to do and how much time I will need off from the gym/work.
I guess the guy I am going to use a new method where they pump glue up into the vein and it collaspes and closes shut.

I asked the lady doing the ultrasound, because since I'm in pretty good health, why is this happening? She said its hereditary, if I had someone in my family have them then my chances are higher, plus standing all day didn't help. She told me to wear compression socks at work every day and hopefully I'll be lucky and not get more.

Its nice to know it wasn't a blood clot or the main system. I didn't think it was because I did some pretty intense cardio last night and both my legs felt the same. (Yes I was wearing a medical grade compression sock.)

I'll find out this afternoon after meeting the surgeon and then know whats really up.
 
Ok, things are great??
So I’m back to paying for it, but $3400 instead and this guy guarantees his work.
So the vascular surgeon said I could get the vein stripped if I want thru OHIP. I have the symptoms. I would need a full week off work, and depending on how well it was healing no lifting anything heavy for. 4-6 weeks. So modified work.

Or. I could go to the clinic he works out of, he uses a glue. So I go in, it takes an hour, I put on a compression sock to my hip, and after 48 hours, other than heavy weight training or heavy cardio, I am gtg. 2 weeks later I’m back training.
99% success rate.
 
Sorbate said:
Ok, things are great??
So I’m back to paying for it, but $3400 instead and this guy guarantees his work.
So the vascular surgeon said I could get the vein stripped if I want thru OHIP. I have the symptoms. I would need a full week off work, and depending on how well it was healing no lifting anything heavy for. 4-6 weeks. So modified work.

Or. I could go to the clinic he works out of, he uses a glue. So I go in, it takes an hour, I put on a compression sock to my hip, and after 48 hours, other than heavy weight training or heavy cardio, I am gtg. 2 weeks later I’m back training.
99% success rate.
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Option #2....2wks and 99% success is worth the money to me.


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Oldguyjiujitsu said:
Option #2....2wks and 99% success is worth the money to me.


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Same with me.
Actually I did a bit of research and with the gluing method, you could walk out of his office and go do squats if you wanted. No compression sleeve is needed, but this guy wants to have 100% success so he wants to go overboard.
He likes for you to take it easy for a couple days then wear the compression sleeve for two weeks as the vein hardens and get dissolved by the body, this way zero chance of return.
I guess that’s what nice about getting a vascular surgeon, where normally a laser cosmetic place and the dermatology doctor takes the education to do the same procedure but follows the basic guidelines.
This guy is one of these people who lives off being the best he can.

Anyhow here is a simplified example of the procedure
 
Saw the vein doctor today agsin. I asked him what will happen if it fails? He said he would be shocked if it fails. I guess he decided to glue the whole fucking vein instead of the first 6 inches just to be sure. He knows how hard I have to work at work. Anyhow he said he’d strip the vein thru OHIP If it failed. He doesn’t think it will.

Oh and he checked out the varicose vein in my thigh with ultrasound, just for fun, then he starts laughing and saying, “damn that vein is huge, look how big it is. Lol, Damn I’m going to fill that whole thing with glue”
All I was thinking is it’s good I’m not the freak out type, lol.

So since I didn’t want any complications with blood clots I am staying at 183 mg of test a week until after surgery. Works out to .5 cc of prop Eod, that’s why the weird number.

He said in 2 weeks I could go back to full out training. He is overdoing it to make sure the repair holds.

I thought I’d do a bit of gh, damn I can’t do gh, it constipates me bad. I really need to sell my kits so I’m never tempted again.

So Im going to carb cycle for the next 8 weeks, blow off a bit of fat. Then it’s on to 500 mg of primo and 200 test, then down to single digit bodyfat. I’m hoping for 178lbs and 9%.

Im 190 and likely 18% body fat.
 
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Sorbate said:
Saw the vein doctor today agsin. I asked him what will happen if it fails? He said he would be shocked if it fails. I guess he decided to glue the whole fucking vein instead of the first 6 inches just to be sure. He knows how hard I have to work at work. Anyhow he said he’d strip the vein thru OHIP If it failed. He doesn’t think it will.

Oh and he checked out the varicose vein in my thigh with ultrasound, just for fun, then he starts laughing and saying, “damn that vein is huge, look how big it is. Lol, Damn I’m going to fill that whole thing with glue”
All I was thinking is it’s good I’m not the freak out type, lol.

So since I didn’t want any complications with blood clots I am staying at 183 mg of test a week until after surgery. Works out to .5 cc of prop Eod, that’s why the weird number.

He said in 2 weeks I could go back to full out training. He is overdoing it to make sure the repair holds.

I thought I’d do a bit of gh, damn I can’t do gh, it constipates me bad. I really need to sell my kits so I’m never tempted again.

So Im going to carb cycle for the next 8 weeks, blow off a bit of fat. Then it’s on to 500 mg of primo and 200 test, then down to single digit bodyfat. I’m hoping for 178lbs and 9%.

Im 190 and likely 18% body fat.
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I’m sure the Dr will do a good job my friend

My training is good...and still able to train jiu Jitsu 1:1

My lower back is healing up but Gyms closed again so back to basement gym and tons of free weights so time to piss off the lower back again

Weight is 189lbs, and definitely less than 18% BF...height has not changed [emoji12]

Last 4 weeks was on 100mg test and 150mg primo but with gym closed will hop of the primo and up test to 140. Don’t like to waste good primo , also got a major promotion at work so will be a little distracted for the next few weeks.and training intensity might go down a bit.

Will have tons of time before August.


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Oldguyjiujitsu said:
I’m sure the Dr will do a good job my friend

My training is good...and still able to train jiu Jitsu 1:1

My lower back is healing up but Gyms closed again so back to basement gym and tons of free weights so time to piss off the lower back again

Weight is 189lbs, and definitely less than 18% BF...height has not changed [emoji12]

Last 4 weeks was on 100mg test and 150mg primo but with gym closed will hop of the primo and up test to 140. Don’t like to waste good primo , also got a major promotion at work so will be a little distracted for the next few weeks.and training intensity might go down a bit.

Will have tons of time before August.


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Oh its coming fast. Time can get away from you quickly.
I miss the deca, I ache all the time now, lol.
I wonder if 100 mg a week of deca would make a difference, lol.
 
Little Update:

So not everything going as planned; got a big promotion at work so stress and workload went way up. Covid in Alberta shut gyms down, blah blah blah plus lower back still angry. Losing money hand over fist with my jiu jitsu club, but it will survive due to my sheer will.

@Sorbate and i had to remind ourselves that the goal is to be the best we can be by 50 and not compare it to our selves at 25 when we could be singular focus with no other priorities in life.

Training:
  • workouts have been pretty good at home. Relatively strong, getting good numbers on dumbbell incline presses, barbell incline presses, standing dumbbell presses, bench supported dumbbell rows and skull crushers are up noticeably. The commercial gym is open for 45 minute private sessions...have been going in for leg days.
  • Getting 2 training sessions in per week at jiu jitsu with my son. Man do 18 year olds have a ton of energy
Diet
  • sitting at 3400 cals. 45% cabs, 30% fats, 25% protein
  • protein, mostly fish, chicken and turkey. Steak on the weekend plus a cheat day.
  • Will continue at this level for another 6 weeks
Supplements
  • was on 140 test and 140 primo but when gyms closed and work got crazy i dropped the primo for now. (Don't like to waste good primo...PS Genetec Primo is great)
  • Will run just the 140 test (no ai) until June and then will put the primo back in if gyms open
  • 5mg cialis per day
  • 25 mg DHEA blocking the cortisol has resulted in much better pumps. (as i was deficient according to my BW)
PS @Sorbate...don't forget leg day...our pics can't be just upper body shots LOL. I know mine are not large but liking the shape these days...cannot see striations in this shitty pic but which are decent. How are yours looking...Other than full of glue!

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Oldguyjiujitsu said:
Little Update:

So not everything going as planned; got a big promotion at work so stress and workload went way up. Covid in Alberta shut gyms down, blah blah blah plus lower back still angry. Losing money hand over fist with my jiu jitsu club, but it will survive due to my sheer will.

@Sorbate and i had to remind ourselves that the goal is to be the best we can be by 50 and not compare it to our selves at 25 when we could be singular focus with no other priorities in life.

Training:
  • workouts have been pretty good at home. Relatively strong, getting good numbers on dumbbell incline presses, barbell incline presses, standing dumbbell presses, bench supported dumbbell rows and skull crushers are up noticeably. The commercial gym is open for 45 minute private sessions...have been going in for leg days.
  • Getting 2 training sessions in per week at jiu jitsu with my son. Man do 18 year olds have a ton of energy
Diet
  • sitting at 3400 cals. 45% cabs, 30% fats, 25% protein
  • protein, mostly fish, chicken and turkey. Steak on the weekend plus a cheat day.
  • Will continue at this level for another 6 weeks
Supplements
  • was on 140 test and 140 primo but when gyms closed and work got crazy i dropped the primo for now. (Don't like to waste good primo...PS Genetec Primo is great)
  • Will run just the 140 test (no ai) until June and then will put the primo back in if gyms open
  • 5mg cialis per day
  • 25 mg DHEA blocking the cortisol has resulted in much better pumps. (as i was deficient according to my BW)
PS @Sorbate...don't forget leg day...our pics can't be just upper body shots LOL. I know mine are not large but liking the shape these days...cannot see striations in this shitty pic but which are decent. How are yours looking...Other than full of glue!

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Looking good and amazing work. I honestly hope to be in that shape when I turn 50! Keep up with improving yourself you are both very inspiring.
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
Little Update:

So not everything going as planned; got a big promotion at work so stress and workload went way up. Covid in Alberta shut gyms down, blah blah blah plus lower back still angry. Losing money hand over fist with my jiu jitsu club, but it will survive due to my sheer will.

@Sorbate and i had to remind ourselves that the goal is to be the best we can be by 50 and not compare it to our selves at 25 when we could be singular focus with no other priorities in life.

Training:
  • workouts have been pretty good at home. Relatively strong, getting good numbers on dumbbell incline presses, barbell incline presses, standing dumbbell presses, bench supported dumbbell rows and skull crushers are up noticeably. The commercial gym is open for 45 minute private sessions...have been going in for leg days.
  • Getting 2 training sessions in per week at jiu jitsu with my son. Man do 18 year olds have a ton of energy
Diet
  • sitting at 3400 cals. 45% cabs, 30% fats, 25% protein
  • protein, mostly fish, chicken and turkey. Steak on the weekend plus a cheat day.
  • Will continue at this level for another 6 weeks
Supplements
  • was on 140 test and 140 primo but when gyms closed and work got crazy i dropped the primo for now. (Don't like to waste good primo...PS Genetec Primo is great)
  • Will run just the 140 test (no ai) until June and then will put the primo back in if gyms open
  • 5mg cialis per day
  • 25 mg DHEA blocking the cortisol has resulted in much better pumps. (as i was deficient according to my BW)
PS @Sorbate...don't forget leg day...our pics can't be just upper body shots LOL. I know mine are not large but liking the shape these days...cannot see striations in this shitty pic but which are decent. How are yours looking...Other than full of glue!

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Legs look good. Mine were growing but no leg training for 3 weeks.

Oh and fuck that, I’m going for the look to kick 25 year olds asses, lol.
Won’t be hard if, and that’s a big if I get lean, lol.

So last couple days reduced my carbs by about 6-700 calories, I tell my wife I’m going to watch what I eat a bit more now, so she bakes fucking chocolate chip with scor pieces cookies last night and brings home other treats.
I guess tonight I get to eat 5 pieces of Popeyes chicken also (my grandson has a friend over), my wife calculated it to be around 3000 cal, just for that meal.

So I went to Costco for work and bought a huge bag of ruffles, fuck it, starts Monday, lol.

I also hate running trt, I feel 49 now. Everything aches.

But I’ve been training everything except legs, but doing cardio which makes my legs really sore. Hopefully they don’t grow, I got fitted for a compression sleeve 2 weeks ago, that goes to my hip that a 30-40hg so it will be super tight. Surgery on the vein next Friday.
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Btw that sucks with the club. Hopefully they will figure out what they are doing isn’t working and allow people to get back to it before the economy collapses.
 
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I just walked downstairs to train chest and took a pic. I havnt trained legs in weeks. So no pump.
Worst part is, I was finally enjoying leg training after years of neglect, lol. I believe once I can train again will be one of my easy to build body parts.
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