Anti estrogen protocol while cruising

TPM_81

TPM_81

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Hey folks, I'd like to get some feedback from those who blast and cruise on your protocol with anti-e's while cruising. I struggle with bad acne on my arms, delts, and back. I was taking a 1mg Arimidex capsule eod but the acne is still the same. Through doing my own research I read that too much arimidex can crash your estrogen to nothing; which is something we don't want. I had all the symptoms of low estrogen, acne, low libido, and sore joints. What I've been doing is cutting down on the arimidex and it is helping but I'm still not at the point where I feel my acne is under control and libido is consistent throughout the cruise. I'm taking 1/2 ml Test Enth, Monday and Thurs for my cruise. Any input would be appreciated!
 
Cheapshot said:
Number one. Get aromasin instead and try that. It takes a long time to figure it out. 150 trt I can do no ai. 175 is a fine line. 200 i need a bit.
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I have tried using no ai and my skin cleared up big time, but by the weekend, I started to break out again.
 
For me the longer im on trt the better... it takes me a long time to clear my acne. Its only when my blood levels het stable. Twice a week pinning was way better for acne. But im lazy
 
For me, if Test level is super physiological I get acne (ai or not). I assume by 1/2ml you mean...250mg Test per week. At that level are you above normal ranges? If so, while cruising you might want to reduce test further.


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Oldguyjiujitsu said:
For me, if Test level is super physiological I get acne (ai or not). I assume by 1/2ml you mean...250mg Test per week. At that level are you above normal ranges? If so, while cruising you might want to reduce test further.


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Yes, I am taking 250ml of test a week, I have not had blood work done so I'm not sure what range my test/estro is actually in.
 
No geezus thats aromasin. 12mg of adex might be overkill. I dont use adex so I cant comment on a good dose
 
You have caps you are fucked, lol.
I use Adex all the time. Adex will give you acne as well. At least that is what I have found.
Open your caps and divide it into 4. Take 1/4 every 3 days. With Adex you need to be consistent or your estrogen can rebound and you will get acne.
I find with aromasin that it takes more time to kick in, so start low. Only time I have ever crashed my estrogen was on aromasin.
 
Sorbate said:
You have caps you are fucked, lol.
I use Adex all the time. Adex will give you acne as well. At least that is what I have found.
Open your caps and divide it into 4. Take 1/4 every 3 days. With Adex you need to be consistent or your estrogen can rebound and you will get acne.
I find with aromasin that it takes more time to kick in, so start low. Only time I have ever crashed my estrogen was on aromasin.
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Thanks man, will give this a shot.
 
You can also use 10 mg of nolvadex per day or 20 every other day. This will prevent estrogen from binding to receptors which might just help you out. You also get the added benefit of endocrine stimulation via the HPTA when HCG is absent and nolvadex also mimics estrogen in the liver so cholesterol profiles will also improve a tad. I have had bad issues with Accutane very toxic for me personally but you might be fine as long as you are watching your liver enzymes closely.
 
SteveK said:
You can also use 10 mg of nolvadex per day or 20 every other day. This will prevent estrogen from binding to receptors which might just help you out. You also get the added benefit of endocrine stimulation via the HPTA when HCG is absent and nolvadex also mimics estrogen in the liver so cholesterol profiles will also improve a tad. I have had bad issues with Accutane very toxic for me personally but you might be fine as long as you are watching your liver enzymes closely.
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Yeah man, I was on Accutane in 2003 and it definately works but the sides suck. I can get a prescription from my derm but not sure I want to go that route yet.
 
TPM_81 said:
Hey folks, I'd like to get some feedback from those who blast and cruise on your protocol with anti-e's while cruising. I struggle with bad acne on my arms, delts, and back. I was taking a 1mg Arimidex capsule eod but the acne is still the same. Through doing my own research I read that too much arimidex can crash your estrogen to nothing; which is something we don't want. I had all the symptoms of low estrogen, acne, low libido, and sore joints. What I've been doing is cutting down on the arimidex and it is helping but I'm still not at the point where I feel my acne is under control and libido is consistent throughout the cruise. I'm taking 1/2 ml Test Enth, Monday and Thurs for my cruise. Any input would be appreciated!
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i have to ask this: which testosterone are you using for TRT? The esters matter because they determine the rate of conversion. I completely understand that north american physicians prescribe enanthate, cypionate, undecoanate. Please try a shorter ester at 100mg or so per week, and find out for yourself why you need an ai. It's VERY possible that low dose prop with low dose nor and minimal dose dht may balance your hormones so you don't need an ai.
 
TPM_81 said:
Yes, I am taking 250ml of test a week, I have not had blood work done so I'm not sure what range my test/estro is actually in.
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probably a good idea to get blood work and base your decisions on that.

What's cruising to you? Is it avoiding a slump in test levels and just keeping your test levels at a normal range for a guy your age? Or is cruising to you, backing off but still having a higher than normal test level?
 
animal-inside said:
probably a good idea to get blood work and base your decisions on that.

What's cruising to you? Is it avoiding a slump in test levels and just keeping your test levels at a normal range for a guy your age? Or is cruising to you, backing off but still having a higher than normal test level?
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Cruising to me is avoiding the slump in test levels and keeping test levels normal, plus not losing previous gains from blasting. I am cruising with Test Enthanate to answer your question ClearWater.
 
TPM_81 said:
Cruising to me is avoiding the slump in test levels and keeping test levels normal, plus not losing previous gains from blasting. I am cruising with Test Enthanate to answer your question ClearWater.
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So your goal is to just keep your levels where they should normally be between cycles? If this is correct, how come you don't just do PCT? The slumps aren't terrible with good PCT unless your someone who has a hard time recovering or you cycle hard and long.

did you ever get blood work to see where your estrogen/ test levels are?
 
TPM_81 said:
Cruising to me is avoiding the slump in test levels and keeping test levels normal, plus not losing previous gains from blasting. I am cruising with Test Enthanate to answer your question ClearWater.
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If that’s the case then drop to 150 a week or 175 every 10 days.
Yes you will lose the intra muscle water and look smaller, but the muscle tissue itself will still be there.
Also if you are under 40 I wouldn’t stay on permenantly.
 
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