Driving 1000 miles to get my new girl today

This was approximately 2 weeks ago and she has now decided she wants to try to be the leader of the pack. She has moved past my rescue who is happy to sit at the bottom ( a good thing as no fights - they will share food, toys, water, and other prize possessions without so much as a growl. My little girls has grown from 10 lbs to 35 lbs. She is excelling in puppy class (socialization and obedience) and has no fear of other dogs/people which makes the next step of advanced obedience before protection training starts.
My larger Mastiff gent, is very easy going but she has not moved past him to the top. He is a confident/protection trained dog who is non reactive but periodically says piss off puppy I am sleeping and don't want to play. He doesn't play that much but likes to run with the other two.

At 4 months she now understands sit, down, down to sit, will not move from either position until I say a word. I can put a pile of dried liver in front of her and she will not move an inch until I say a word - teaching her patience, stand, come, heal, place which means go to where I point and she lays down and does not move until I release her. To get her using her brain I teach her little tricks for fun like shaking with both hands and she has to know her right from her left - stand on her back feet and do a high five. All these are good practice for paw coordination as Bouviers use their paws/legs as weapons with their mouth.
They are hand fed or work for their meals, but the few times they eat from a bowl, they all have to go to the feeding area and sit and look at me, I put the bowls down and when I say the same word they are allowed to eat. If this sounds mean, it isn't. I have to be in control as she will be at least 80-100 lbs of confident Bouvier that will be a working dog/part of the family used to keep the coyotes away and to protect the members of my family that need to be or protect the house. My Bull Mastiff already knows and is middle aged.
It is a lot of work - 10 minutes twice a day for 3 dogs is an hour of training a day and 1 hour on both days of the weekend. One for socialization/obedience and a lot of fun for the dogs and when she is older (12 months minimum for her safety with joints/muscles/teeth) she starts protection training. This does not include every time we go out, they have to sit and wait for the humans to go out, and then I release them and they can play, run, or I take them for a controlled walk.
Where I live is not the placid place it used to be due to drugs and other issues. This past weekend we had a group of 4 men parking in front of the houses off the road, and watching for 15-30 minutes. A few neighbours noticed as did family and told me. I waited for them to arrive and they parked. I grabbed all three dogs and said heal and starting walking towards the grey Oldsmobile and they drove away.
Even untrained dogs, are an amazing deterrent to people who have bad intentions.
Enough about dogs.


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Skip past my post if you are not a dog person. From 10 lbs. of fluff to 55 lbs of muscle and fluff - now just over 5 months old. Breezed through puppy obedience & socialization, and is now starting advanced obedience and will be assessed by the trainer I work with for his opinion on the best way to start protection training in 7 months. I will continue to work on prey drive and bite strength.
I don't care what dogs look like, she needs to be brushed, I don't crop ears or cut off tails - dogs need both to communicate with other animals and people and it is cruel. Based on the 2 lbs she grows a week which I suspect will slow down to a lb. a week or two shortly, I now suspect she will be 80-90 lbs. as Bouviers grow taller and longer until 12 months and continue to fill out until 2 years.

I write this because if you have never read don't buy a Bouvier - you should if you are not an experienced person with dogs. Much like large breed, strong willed, herding dogs - they can be reactive, dangerous, protective naturally and require a strict owner with patience, training, and socialization with dogs/humans. I read people talk about wanting a Cane Corso or a Mastiff for their first dog, and I strongly suggest you do not do it, unless you are willing to spend thousands on multiple life long learning/socialization classes.
She is a collosal pain 50% of the time, but a cuddly pup the other 50% when she is not driving us nuts getting into everything and making everything int he house into a toy.
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Nice looking dog.

Hey, I have been obedience training my cat since I have been reading your threads. Figured I’d make a protector cat out of him.

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Great job @Sorbate .how long did it take you to train her to sit on the post like a gargoyle?? You got skills my friend :)
 
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Skip past my post if you are not a dog person. From 10 lbs. of fluff to 55 lbs of muscle and fluff - now just over 5 months old. Breezed through puppy obedience & socialization, and is now starting advanced obedience and will be assessed by the trainer I work with for his opinion on the best way to start protection training in 7 months. I will continue to work on prey drive and bite strength.
I don't care what dogs look like, she needs to be brushed, I don't crop ears or cut off tails - dogs need both to communicate with other animals and people and it is cruel. Based on the 2 lbs she grows a week which I suspect will slow down to a lb. a week or two shortly, I now suspect she will be 80-90 lbs. as Bouviers grow taller and longer until 12 months and continue to fill out until 2 years.

I write this because if you have never read don't buy a Bouvier - you should if you are not an experienced person with dogs. Much like large breed, strong willed, herding dogs - they can be reactive, dangerous, protective naturally and require a strict owner with patience, training, and socialization with dogs/humans. I read people talk about wanting a Cane Corso or a Mastiff for their first dog, and I strongly suggest you do not do it, unless you are willing to spend thousands on multiple life long learning/socialization classes.
She is a collosal pain 50% of the time, but a cuddly pup the other 50% when she is not driving us nuts getting into everything and making everything int he house into a toy.
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Outstanding. Great job @Goldenrod

100% i agree with you that people don't consider what each breed was intended for before they bring it into your home. As you know i have boxers. This little girl (Sidney) is 9 months old and 56 lbs. We ran into a older lady in the neighborhood this week with a boxer, and she said "why is mine not calm like yours" I said that we walker her 2-3 times per day (and not a leisurely stroll), makes sure she has several play dates per week, do daily training to tire the mind and starting in the fall she will be in Rally classes, plus we got a lakelot so on the weekends she has almost an acker to chase birds, squirrels, etc. Boxers are athletes and if they are not challenged physically and mentally they will look for outlets for that energy and the outcome is not good. LOL she just went Oh...we just walk our boxer around the block once per day....we could not do all that stuff you do. hmmmmmm...not fair to the dog.

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Nice looking dog.

Hey, I have been obedience training my cat since I have been reading your threads. Figured I’d make a protector cat out of him.

Mind you not sure if its working that well, here is a pic of how its goingView attachment 115891
I know a few people who have large Siamese cats and they are temperamental creatures. One minute purring and rubbing against you, the next they are hiding in a little corner, you walk buy and they jump on your head and cling on with their claws. I like cats, but some we had when I lived on a farm, were large/muscular and would kill rabbits that weighed more than they did or rats/or the odd weasel.
You can train any animal, but cats are hard - I tried training the one indoor cat we had with her favourite treats and it was somewhat successful, but I don't think they would ever be a protection animal lol.
 
Outstanding. Great job @Goldenrod

100% i agree with you that people don't consider what each breed was intended for before they bring it into your home. As you know i have boxers. This little girl (Sidney) is 9 months old and 56 lbs. We ran into a older lady in the neighborhood this week with a boxer, and she said "why is mine not calm like yours" I said that we walker her 2-3 times per day (and not a leisurely stroll), makes sure she has several play dates per week, do daily training to tire the mind and starting in the fall she will be in Rally classes, plus we got a lakelot so on the weekends she has almost an acker to chase birds, squirrels, etc. Boxers are athletes and if they are not challenged physically and mentally they will look for outlets for that energy and the outcome is not good. LOL she just went Oh...we just walk our boxer around the block once per day....we could not do all that stuff you do. hmmmmmm...not fair to the dog.

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Tremendous job raising a powerful/beautiful breed.
 
I know a few people who have large Siamese cats and they are temperamental creatures. One minute purring and rubbing against you, the next they are hiding in a little corner, you walk buy and they jump on your head and cling on with their claws. I like cats, but some we had when I lived on a farm, were large/muscular and would kill rabbits that weighed more than they did or rats/or the odd weasel.
You can train any animal, but cats are hard - I tried training the one indoor cat we had with her favourite treats and it was somewhat successful, but I don't think they would ever be a protection animal lol.
It’s a cat. I own a cats instead of dogs because I’m lazy. Very little training needed. Plus I ask nothing of them.

I just thought the picture was funny as hell, my protector cat.

And our cats scared off a burglar once. But that group was not a quiet bunch, the person must have thought someone was home as they were trying to come in thru the bathroom window, lol.
 
I don't think they would ever be a protection animal lol.
A serval will typically go right after anyone other than the master/family so if someone B&E's the house the cat in all likelihood will attack. Shitty thing is it also might get out of the house. Regardless a serval biting even an intruder might be met with the cat being removed from the house.
 
A serval will typically go right after anyone other than the master/family so if someone B&E's the house the cat in all likelihood will attack. Shitty thing is it also might get out of the house. Regardless a serval biting even an intruder might be met with the cat being removed from the house.
Never heard of that species. Just looked them up and they are a 25-30 lb cat, and looks like a mini leopard. I just read and it indicates they can't be pets but I am sure some have them. I would not want a 25 lb cat attacking me. I suspect you are correct, having a wild animal that attacks someone would probably be taken even if the intruders were breaking in. Canadian laws are ridiculous for protecting your home.
 
A serval will typically go right after anyone other than the master/family so if someone B&E's the house the cat in all likelihood will attack. Shitty thing is it also might get out of the house. Regardless a serval biting even an intruder might be met with the cat being removed from the house.
I thought about getting one of those, but they need lots of room and can jump extremely high, and are high strung.

Would he cool to walk it on a leash though.
 
I looked into a serval and they are just not what Chloe typically is. Chole the Serval is about 20yrs old. She just lost a hind leg due to cancer. Raw meat diet only typically about $15/day which in itself is not that bad it is that the wild nature of the serval it will bond with one person only for life.

This means that person has to train and discipline it. It is a requirement to "Bop" it's nose when it acts out. Servals WILL push boundaries to gain alpha dominance by instinct. The owner MUST show they are dominate over them or all hell will break loose. The cat will start attacking humans as it thinks this is proper behavior, and it is, in the wild. They are wild cats. Even if litter trained they still spray in the house, even if fixed!

If raised by hand with other house cats, dogs, children, exposure to as many strangers as possible and such they are ok to hand off at the 4-6mth mark but not much longer than that. It needs to bond. Once it does it will not accept a new master so it cannot be rehomed to a house, only a sanctuary. Vacations are typically a thing of the past because no non-family member can't get near the cat so cat sitting is out.

There was a family on Kijiji about 1yr ago selling a 3yr old serval for $1500. It's worth over $10k but they clearly state it is "unfriendly" and that they can't get within 6ft of it without it striking out.

A caracat is what I would really like to see. It's half caracal and half Assyrian house cat. Best if I got second generation F2 so it's not a pure raw meat diet.

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Now just under 6 months, and going through a growth spurt and wants more food. Hard to believe the fur ball is the same dog in the picture since she had her hair cut. I do the grooming as it is a way to bond with your dog. She put on 3 lbs in 6 days from exercise and eating more.

She has backed up a few people but nothing major but yesterday some strange mail delivery guy came to the house to drop off my mail at my door. It was the first time, she did not want a person in the house. My brave rescue, ran out the door and hid in the trees. Both the dogs picked up on something humans can't, at least that is my interpretation. She is not intimidating - 58 lbs is not a big dog, but she was growling, barking and when I opened the door to invite him in, there was no way he was coming through the door. I apologized and went out. My rescue is my shadow so he ran out, took one look at the man and ran for his life lol. I shouldn't laugh, but after the guy left, he came back when I called him.
Later that day, another person stopped over she does not know well, and she was her normal self running around in excitement and yipping in excitement to see someone. Rubbing up against them, and trying to see if they wanted to wrestle. I had take her by the leash and move her away as her wrestling/play can hurt. If you look at the picture, she always has a leash on except when in the kennel.
Grabbing a dog by the collar is very personal to many dogs, but gently leading them away and telling them no, usually gets the message across.

Shows the difference between two breeds, and two dogs with completely different upbringing. You do not have to teach a Bouvier to be a protective dog, they pick up on things we can't and I am open enough to listen. Once they hit adolescence, they are starting to get more confident if you did your job, and will start to become protective / not aggressive or viscous. I would never accept that type of behaviour.
Maybe a coincidence but if one person gets such a reaction from your dog and another 20 don't, they know something you don't.
After a play session with my rescue, I invited her on the couch and as you can see she is making the most out of it, using a pillow and laying there watching me at my work desk.
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Just like every Bouvier I have ever owned, they prefer a place to sleep in front of the door. You can't go in and upstairs or downstairs without waking them. She has more beds and couches to pick from as do my other dogs, but this breed picks the hard floor and as you can see she is totally relaxed. If you open the door and are known you will get a great greeting, if she does not know you - she barks and nothing else alerting me which is what I want. I do not want a reactive dog at 7 months.
She is now 7 months and just over 65 lbs so she is till considered a puppy until 12 months due to the breed size. She just passed advanced obedience learning everything, and is now starting the basics of observing threats from non threats, scenting, basic bite training for jaw strength on command with something you hold/not a person in a dog suit. She will not start protection work until she is 12 months.
Still observes strangers from a distance and tell them to stay back until we have told her friend from foe, but is the most affectionate/friendly Bouvier I have ever owned. Still my favorite breed.
She has more of a Giant Schnauzer cut right now and looks like one. She will grow her hair out for the winter.

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Why this breed is my favorite. They mention the sleeping in the doorway in the video, they have incredible pain tolerance which I have unfortunately experienced watching my largest male fight off two Rhodesian Ridgebacks that had an inexperienced owner. She asked if they could be introduced and I said sure lets walk them together. The lady took her two large RR's off their leash and they both attached him.
I do not agree with the comment on the video regarding the own you, you have to be the owner and there are a lot of reasons not to have this dog as a pet as they are very smart and will test every boundary. At 7 months, my female Bouvier watches the family everywhere we go unless we sit down and then she sleeps. She can now open the fridge, no door can't be opened as she will turn the nob with her teeth, cupboards that have garbage are a great playtoy for a Bouvier and she learned to bonk it until it owned a crack and then uses her paws to finish opening and then grab the garbage container and explore.
Once they know this is not acceptable, and there are repercussions (voice/leash pressure/not hitting your dog), they will stop but you have to be the leader.
They can be messy, hairy if not trimmed/stripped and annoying if you don't like a shadow watching everything you do. I like it. My house has been broken into twice, once I had my trained male Bouvier and he put two men through the glass door. The second time, I only had a Bouvier puppy and would not allow her to go outside when the intruders were going to by back deck door.
Don't train your Bouvier for protection, and the dog will still protect your family. Trained for protection and you will have a 24/7 bodyguard and a lifelong friend and buddy.
They are not a massive Mastiff or Boerboel so if you want a 200 lbs dog, this dog is not for you. They are 80-120 lbs of pure muscle and teeth with a large muscle over their skull (only breed I know that has this for protecting their head). If you want a dog you can depend on to protect your other animals, and family - they are an excellent breed but are not for first time dog owners.

They are not the most popular breed out there, hence they do not get a lot of attention in the ridiculous videos and ratings of top scary/strong breeds. Any fully grown Bouvier can snap your arm bone with one bite, so can all the other breeds. I do not want a dog I have to worry about and scares the shit out of everyone. They love kids and are naturally gentle with little dogs when playing.
There is a reason they are a herding breed that sleep with the flock and fight off predators and are used in multiple countries as police dogs.
When you let their coat grow out, which is a serious shield as they have a double coat, they look about 30 lbs larger than they are.
I will shut up now, but the main point is if you want a dog to help protect your loved ones - they are a wonderful choice and make a wonderful family member, but be prepared to put in a lot of work unless you want your house destroyed so they know the rules and who makes them.
 
A passion of mine, I find some of the videos amazing. Believe this is in the Netherlands which is just beside Germany and Belgium where two of the best police dogs/protection dogs come from - the Malinois (smaller, agile, fearless), and the Bouvier Des Flanders (all the same but larger boned and more muscular). Interesting to see these dogs, how well they are trained, and in particular how they hit a person. Note the Bouvier never stops trying to take people down, which the can be taught to do as a 45 kmh 90 lb flying weight with claws and teeth that hit you in the chest, but don't bite unless you move. A passion of mine, many will will find no interest in watching these videos as they are trials with the two breeds. I believe there is one GS as well.

I watch them simply to teach my protection dogs the safest way to protect the family, and avoid law suits. Knocking down/no biting is a great deterrent while you wait for the police to show up.
 
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