"your first cycle will be your most effective!"
Will it though ? I get that guys feel the punch but I bet it all ends up with the same cumulative result eventually
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Will it though ? I get that guys feel the punch but I bet it all ends up with the same cumulative result eventually
I think we just train and eat harder the first cycle.
Apologies to you both for butting in but i happen to be reading this atm, yeah 12 is like 346, as I mentioned that's a low conversion rate, individual responses vary but that seems like as low as I've ever heard.
I have a ton of personally obtained data and the majority, 80+ %, of men fall near a 5.9 multiplier when draws are at the trough of 2x/week protocol. The curve starts to flatten significantly (multiplier drops) around 500-700/week
ie - 120mg/week x 5.9 + 708ng/dl
I'm in the same boat. Would rather run 250 now and other things on top. Just enough to maintain my normal levels.
I would need to pull my blood work out, but I think when I was taking 500 my test came back at 4500 and my free was like 42. But it's been 2 years since that cycle, so I might be misremembering.
I will perform another 6 week run at the same dose of test (135mg/week) with the Hikma Test E I was prescribed and compare levels.
I will say that at my current 12nmol/L I feel great - stronger - fuller - better mood but slightly oilier skin….
no idea maybe my body is a low responder?
I use US numbers just cause thats what im used to seeing most places.
Test is in ng/dl. Estradiol is pg/ml.
For most guys thats something like 175mg test e. Maybe 150mg test prop.
Dont go blasting your tits off tryna get 1200 nmol/l
my bad for not being more clear.
Exactly. There's nothing saying you can't go up the next time if it was underwhelming or go down if you think you used too much.
So here's the real question for guys that claim the whole first cycle thing. How is it you personally have two first cycles to compare to?
The amount of nonsensical PED rhetoric I've had to endure in the past 24hrs lowers my faith in humanity even further. I'm tired boss.
Morning @JayJay24 - not sure anyone is going to call me wise as this is a question for the wise, but there is no exact answer. Some guys have commented about huge cycles and when you experience serious side effects, it is time to 'thug' through them and ignore them. I emphatically disagree, but I don't disagree with anyone's right to use large cycles, it is none of my business what anyone uses but to think anything is free is ridiculous. The more PED's, especially the guys claims to use harsh orals for years and how well they work or large doses of harsh injectables that are hard on the liver, kidneys, and lipids and think because they are OK now, they will be OK years down the road, would be an outlier. Most people will experience some health issue from PED abuse.
No PED use is healthy outside of TRT when needed but the more you can get out the least amount used the better your chances of not experiencing side effects or health issues down the road.
You are talking about a significant increase in your testosterone and if you have your diet planned (if not hire @Funnyman), train hard, and get enough rest you should see excellent results. For those that say 250 mg is not a blast, according to the 'norm' it is not, but it is to me. I go from 100 mg of test (TYT) to 250 for 3-4 months which is a 150% increase in the amount of testosterone in my body. I am not dim and know many cruise between their larger cycles at 250-500 mg of test per week but long term this is not wise.
Do I notice it - absolutely. The comments on you only have one first cycle, is true as how the F can you have two, but I can get more out of 250 mg of test now than I could when I was younger and pyramided with a max of 400-500 mg/week. Over the years I learned what exercises I respond best to, how to eat to grow, how much rest I need so I don't get injured.
No judgment on anyone who uses higher doses or different compounds but there is nothing wrong with your philosophy. No one should insult you for going against the grain. Using a lower dose gives you lots of room to experiment down the road with another compound added in or a higher dosage.
Good luck - if you do this, keep us posted.
I let you in on a secret for why the first cycle is so good.
Because it was the first time someone has used gear and they maximize everything, whether they mean to or not. So they eat better than normal, train harder than normal, sleep better than normal, tunnel focus on the goal for the duration of the cycle.
Would they grow more on 500 vs 250, likely, but I bet it wouldn't be more than a couple pound difference, so instead of 10 lbs you gain 12.
250 mg is perfect first cycle. Unless you are a non responder, you will notice it. Would 500 cause more growth, likely..
You are allowed to choose, but IMO you are not wasting your time running a lower amount.
I can easily maintain and grow in 175 mg of test, and even though I am not huge, I am bigger than average. I know I am bigger than my natural genetic potential, especially at almost 55.
You choose and you don't need to apologize for what you want to run, you are the one that is allowed to make the decision in regards to your risk vs reward.
Because it was the first time someone has used gear and they maximize everything, whether they mean to or not. So they eat better than normal, train harder than normal, sleep better than normal, tunnel focus on the goal for the duration of the cycle.
Would they grow more on 500 vs 250, likely, but I bet it wouldn't be more than a couple pound difference, so instead of 10 lbs you gain 12.
250 mg is perfect first cycle. Unless you are a non responder, you will notice it. Would 500 cause more growth, likely..
You are allowed to choose, but IMO you are not wasting your time running a lower amount.
I can easily maintain and grow in 175 mg of test, and even though I am not huge, I am bigger than average. I know I am bigger than my natural genetic potential, especially at almost 55.
You choose and you don't need to apologize for what you want to run, you are the one that is allowed to make the decision in regards to your risk vs reward.