New to peptide / GH, need advise

[silant76]

Good day everyone,

I'll start to tell about myself;
been using gear for about 9 years (test, sdroll, adroll, dbol, tbol, tren, eq, carderine, anavar), never used GH and Peptide "yet"
59 yo, 5'10", 195lbs, 18%+- bf
9 years ago i was at 175lbs 25% bf
Diet getting back on point target: Cal 3000, P 200, C 450, F 45
Suplement: 600 MNM pre breakfast, 50plus multi vit. + NAC 600+ Milk Thi.10000 breakfast, 2250 glycine/night, 1000 mag gly/night.
pre work: L-arg. + L- citru. 500
pre work: 25 adrol only 2 or 3 time per week
back to reg gym 3 on 1 off, 3 on 2 off .............

Now here where i need some advise
want to keep my test as trt level or as high as i can with out AI
3mcg cjc+3mcg Ipa. half morning and half before bed
or
some say that i should go straight to LR3 or GH
and that i should add PEG MGF post workout

One thing that is sure, i dont think that i should go back to Tren and Sdrol and 600 test, kind of cycle
im 60 yo soon and i whant to get the most of my cycle with out going nuts with blasting the roof

GH is very interesting obvioulsy but honestly, my budget right now is not that good for the next year or so

 

[Goldenrod]

Good day everyone,

I'll start to tell about myself;
been using gear for about 9 years (test, sdroll, adroll, dbol, tbol, tren, eq, carderine, anavar), never used GH and Peptide "yet"
59 yo, 5'10", 195lbs, 18%+- bf
9 years ago i was at 175lbs 25% bf
Diet getting back on point target: Cal 3000, P 200, C 450, F 45
Suplement: 600 MNM pre breakfast, 50plus multi vit. + NAC 600+ Milk Thi.10000 breakfast, 2250 glycine/night, 1000 mag gly/night.
pre work: L-arg. + L- citru. 500
pre work: 25 adrol only 2 or 3 time per week
back to reg gym 3 on 1 off, 3 on 2 off .............

Now here where i need some advise
want to keep my test as trt level or as high as i can with out AI
3mcg cjc+3mcg Ipa. half morning and half before bed
or
some say that i should go straight to LR3 or GH
and that i should add PEG MGF post workout

One thing that is sure, i dont think that i should go back to Tren and Sdrol and 600 test, kind of cycle
im 60 yo soon and i whant to get the most of my cycle with out going nuts with blasting the roof

GH is very interesting obvioulsy but honestly, my budget right now is not that good for the next year or so

Hey @silant76 - stay away from tren and superdrol. Probably the most toxic injectable and most toxic oral.
I have not used peptides for increasing my IGF. I can only provide feedback on script HGH. It is great, feel good, recover faster, and I am referring to a lower dosage of 2 IU per day, max 3 IU a day which I didn't find much of a difference.
I mostly used Sero, some Genos and Huma - all pretty much equal. I don't recommend going over 3 IU unless you are going to keep a close eye on blood glucose and consider other compounds.
You won't get massive slabs of muscle or massive fat loss, but you can train longer, recover faster which results in more muscle/better fat loss. Only negative of script HGH - it significantly impacted my sleep in a negative manner. I woke up a lot and at most would get 6 hours of sleep. HGH is touted to help sleep but with many it does the opposite.
If I was to ask anyone regarding peptides which may equal 1-2 IU of HGH, I would ask @Oldguyjiujitsu as I believe he has used two peptides many times.
Please at 59 do not touch tren or superdrol. If you are the top of the range in test, maybe a little masteron/Deca or NPP, or boldenone (watch your blood markers as boldenone can impact some negatively.) In low doses - I am referring to 100 or 150 mg a week and a low dose HGH and you can make tremendous gains considering you will have more anabolic hormones and a higher IGF than most 20 year olds. HGH is a double edged sword which you probably know. IGF makes everything grow which includes cancer. It is like pouring gas on cells that may naturally be removed by immune system which many doctors refer to as immune surveillance removing the cells before they can turn into a tumour. In low doses to bring you back into a good range like you were 25 - I think this is reasonable. Taking high doses, increasing your IGF through the roof will help you recover quicker, grow, strengthen connective tissue but never forget it can also have negative implications.
TRT clinics that offer HGH for guys as they get older, monitor your IGF so you can be 'optimal'.
I wish I could add more to the peptide area but never used HGH/IGF peptides.
Lots of guys have more experience and will no doubt chime in.

 

[Sorbate]

I have been using 1 iu of gh, 2 mg of copper peptide and 175 mg of test a week for a while.

I take 1 mg Adex when needed.

Anyhow if you are scared of adex or an AI because of the lipids, bone density thing, don’t be. Everyone keeps going off studies done on woman with breast cancer, where they completely crush their estrogen. SO obviously they would have problems.

Just like running a study of guy taking 2 grams of test would seem harmful vs a trt dose a week. Small amounts of an AI will more than likely be fine. My lipids come back fine every time I do blood work and I have been using small amounts of AI as needed for like 8 years.

I have not trained since last September other than legs (when I feel motivated) mobility, and rehab exercises. I have not lost anything mass wise other than the puffiness you get form training and muscle damage. Yes I have gotten weaker.

I cannot remember the CJC/ipam doses I used but I know @gondar1 knows, he had advised me and when I did what he said it worked. I just hated the timing thing with those compounds and want to inject my gh when I want without worrying about if I ate or whatever.

 

[lukas09]

GH is a game change you will see even at a low dose of 3iu Daly u will see amazing results with TRT

 

[silant76]

Hey @silant76 - stay away from tren and superdrol. Probably the most toxic injectable and most toxic oral.
I have not used peptides for increasing my IGF. I can only provide feedback on script HGH. It is great, feel good, recover faster, and I am referring to a lower dosage of 2 IU per day, max 3 IU a day which I didn't find much of a difference.
I mostly used Sero, some Genos and Huma - all pretty much equal. I don't recommend going over 3 IU unless you are going to keep a close eye on blood glucose and consider other compounds.
You won't get massive slabs of muscle or massive fat loss, but you can train longer, recover faster which results in more muscle/better fat loss. Only negative of script HGH - it significantly impacted my sleep in a negative manner. I woke up a lot and at most would get 6 hours of sleep. HGH is touted to help sleep but with many it does the opposite.
If I was to ask anyone regarding peptides which may equal 1-2 IU of HGH, I would ask @Oldguyjiujitsu as I believe he has used two peptides many times.
Please at 59 do not touch tren or superdrol. If you are the top of the range in test, maybe a little masteron/Deca or NPP, or boldenone (watch your blood markers as boldenone can impact some negatively.) In low doses - I am referring to 100 or 150 mg a week and a low dose HGH and you can make tremendous gains considering you will have more anabolic hormones and a higher IGF than most 20 year olds. HGH is a double edged sword which you probably know. IGF makes everything grow which includes cancer. It is like pouring gas on cells that may naturally be removed by immune system which many doctors refer to as immune surveillance removing the cells before they can turn into a tumour. In low doses to bring you back into a good range like you were 25 - I think this is reasonable. Taking high doses, increasing your IGF through the roof will help you recover quicker, grow, strengthen connective tissue but never forget it can also have negative implications.
TRT clinics that offer HGH for guys as they get older, monitor your IGF so you can be 'optimal'.
I wish I could add more to the peptide area but never used HGH/IGF peptides.
Lots of guys have more experience and will no doubt chime in.

I am on the same page of you @OntarioDude , Tren, Sdrol, NPP used to be my favorites "sweets" for years, BUT yes ill be 60 soon and i have to be more carefull and change my approche without a doubt. For financial purposes and life stability, i though to do a strech with CJ+IPA for a year 2 cycle, it will trigger my pututary and have blood work after to check my level GH / IGF1. by then i should be in better place life wise to start looking and start GH, i think to do a start with Cj+ Ipa is better than nothing to top my trt and maybe little extra here and there, master or npp

 

[silant76]

I have been using 1 iu of gh, 2 mg of copper peptide and 175 mg of test a week for a while.

I take 1 mg Adex when needed.

Anyhow if you are scared of adex or an AI because of the lipids, bone density thing, don’t be. Everyone keeps going off studies done on woman with breast cancer, where they completely crush their estrogen. SO obviously they would have problems.

Just like running a study of guy taking 2 grams of test would seem harmful vs a trt dose a week. Small amounts of an AI will more than likely be fine. My lipids come back fine every time I do blood work and I have been using small amounts of AI as needed for like 8 years.

I have not trained since last September other than legs (when I feel motivated) mobility, and rehab exercises. I have not lost anything mass wise other than the puffiness you get form training and muscle damage. Yes I have gotten weaker.

I cannot remember the CJC/ipam doses I used but I know @gondar1 knows, he had advised me and when I did what he said it worked. I just hated the timing thing with those compounds and want to inject my gh when I want without worrying about if I ate or whatever.

175 test or 200 or even a bit more im ok with that, i say try to say away from AI beauce i know that i can add fe gm of master or tiny of EQ and this will keep E2 on check, and AI if i really need yes no problem. But i agree with everyone GH would be best no doubt. thanks brother

 

[silant76]

GH is a game change you will see even at a low dose of 3iu Daly u will see amazing results with TRT

when iam ready to go to GH, that is excalty what my search tell me, 2iu to 3 ui max without having to worry about blood sugar, thanks brother

 

[Goldenrod]

I am on the same page of you @OntarioDude , Tren, Sdrol, NPP used to be my favorites "sweets" for years, BUT yes ill be 60 soon and i have to be more carefull and change my approche without a doubt. For financial purposes and life stability, i though to do a strech with CJ+IPA for a year 2 cycle, it will trigger my pututary and have blood work after to check my level GH / IGF1. by then i should be in better place life wise to start looking and start GH, i think to do a start with Cj+ Ipa is better than nothing to top my trt and maybe little extra here and there, master or npp

Morning, Just FYI I am not Ontariodude.

 

[Oldguyjiujitsu]

@silant76 i like Ipa/cjc. When on it i take 150mcg of each fasted. (No food 3 hrs before or 1 hour after.)

I find energy snd recovery is on point when on. Never had IGF level tested…not sure a dr in AB will do that.

I am going to try Ipamorlin with tesamorlin next.

 

[silant76]

@silant76 i like Ipa/cjc. When on it i take 150mcg of each fasted. (No food 3 hrs before or 1 hour after.)

I find energy snd recovery is on point when on. Never had IGF level tested…not sure a dr in AB will do that.

I am going to try Ipamorlin with tesamorlin next.

That's what I red from most users, energy, recovery, sleep for some, don't affect appetite.
Did you saw more pump or muscle building on cj-ipa

Morning, Just FYI I am not Ontariodude.

i know that so much, i think that i was distracted, sorry brother!!

 

[silant76]

@silant76 i like Ipa/cjc. When on it i take 150mcg of each fasted. (No food 3 hrs before or 1 hour after.)

I find energy snd recovery is on point when on. Never had IGF level tested…not sure a dr in AB will do that.

I am going to try Ipamorlin with tesamorlin next.

thats what i red from everyone that take it. did you saw some better muscle growth or pump on it?

 

[Oldguyjiujitsu]

thats what i red from everyone that take it. did you saw some better muscle growth or pump on it?

The better recovery allowed me to train hard. I look fuller and tighter when on it. I am of the perception that the higher IGF makes your test “ work better” but can’t say there’s a significant muscle gain like doing a cycle. No changes to pumps. That’s it, I’ve also never pushed calories went on the peptides. I typically just eat maintenance cals.

 

[The Caped Crusader]

The better recovery allowed me to train hard. I look fuller and tighter when on it. I am of the perception that the higher IGF makes your test “ work better” but can’t say there’s a significant muscle gain like doing a cycle. No changes to pumps.

Vice versa as well as IGF1 conversion requires a decent amount of E2 present for successful conversion hence why Test HGH Slin is the god mode basic trio. So yes test makes your igf1 conversion or presence dominant and effective and vice versa. Speaking of nasty potential skin ripping all day pumps, i usually get that on my test free blasts when i mix both hgh, sleep lypolysis benefits, alongside igf1lr3, final by product since e2 is super lowish and ineffective for stable conversion, and the bodily pumps 247 are godly. 30 days on/off n repeat @ 333 mcg eod. I somehow respond to increlex alot better than the original conversion of hgh to igf1 due to my consistent tendencies of prolonged test free blasts but yes basically with effective igf1 conversion with e2 presence and calories and carb intake/timing with controlled blood sugar levels, bodily pumps can be 24/7!

 

[silant76]

Vice versa as well as IGF1 conversion requires a decent amount of E2 present for successful conversion hence why Test HGH Slin is the god mode basic trio. So yes test makes your igf1 conversion or presence dominant and effective and vice versa. Speaking of nasty potential skin ripping all day pumps, i usually get that on my test free blasts when i mix both hgh, sleep lypolysis benefits, alongside igf1lr3, final by product since e2 is super lowish and ineffective for stable conversion, and the bodily pumps 247 are godly. 30 days on/off n repeat @ 333 mcg eod. I somehow respond to increlex alot better than the original conversion of hgh to igf1 due to my consistent tendencies of prolonged test free blasts but yes basically with effective igf1 conversion with e2 presence and calories and carb intake/timing with controlled blood sugar levels, bodily pumps can be 24/7!

its obvious that test and GH is the best for growth as everyone says, but at the moment GH is a bit off my budget. what do you think that instead of going test+cjc+ipa, i would go test+lr3 route, with it be more worth for muscle growth, recovery and all the other benefits ?

 

[The Caped Crusader]

its obvious that test and GH is the best for growth as everyone says, but at the moment GH is a bit off my budget. what do you think that instead of going test+cjc+ipa, i would go test+lr3 route, with it be more worth for muscle growth, recovery and all the other benefits ?

Abso-fucking-lutley. If you can source real pure genuine LR3, it’s so potent and efficient as the final byproduct to why we take GH in the first place, ofc GH still wins long term steady race due to it’s other additional benefits, it will mutate you if you run it right and smart with a full protocol on deck. I like to do 30 days on/off because I once noticed my upper stomach/abs gotten slightly distended on it but it faded away slowly when I cycled off. The best combo is both actually GH and LR3 as it mimics insulin due to it’s strong nutrition partitioning effects dropping blood sugar etc. I had a try with a Spanish pharmacy brand and the western Increlex (mecasermin) which was approved in Canada I believe early 2021. Some say it didn’t do much for them but I believe that falls down to a few factors like sourcing and reconstituting it correctly as it easily degrades due to its fragility hence why my typical 1mg vial is usually done within 3-5 days at max etc etc. I can vouch that it works for me very well with excellent results with the most kept once was around 7lbs in a 30 days run on a heavy serious growth phase run where carbs and food were through the roof and it’s shuttling effect is gorgeous!

 

[silant76]

Abso-fucking-lutley. If you can source real pure genuine LR3, it’s so potent and efficient as the final byproduct to why we take GH in the first place, ofc GH still wins long term steady race due to it’s other additional benefits, it will mutate you if you run it right and smart with a full protocol on deck. I like to do 30 days on/off because I once noticed my upper stomach/abs gotten slightly distended on it but it faded away slowly when I cycled off. The best combo is both actually GH and LR3 as it mimics insulin due to it’s strong nutrition partitioning effects dropping blood sugar etc. I had a try with a Spanish pharmacy brand and the western Increlex (mecasermin) which was approved in Canada I believe early 2021. Some say it didn’t do much for them but I believe that falls down to a few factors like sourcing and reconstituting it correctly as it easily degrades due to its fragility hence why my typical 1mg vial is usually done within 3-5 days at max etc etc. I can vouch that it works for me very well with excellent results with the most kept once was around 7lbs in a 30 days run on a heavy serious growth phase run where carbs and food were through the roof and it’s shuttling effect is gorgeous!

glad to hear someting about LR3, that was in my main post as option. i know some labs that got it, i dont remeber the price, if iam correct its cheaper than GH, thank you brother!

 

[Devson]

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Good day everyone,

I'll start to tell about myself;
been using gear for about 9 years (test, sdroll, adroll, dbol, tbol, tren, eq, carderine, anavar), never used GH and Peptide "yet"
59 yo, 5'10", 195lbs, 18%+- bf
9 years ago i was at 175lbs 25% bf
Diet getting back on point target: Cal 3000, P 200, C 450, F 45
Suplement: 600 MNM pre breakfast, 50plus multi vit. + NAC 600+ Milk Thi.10000 breakfast, 2250 glycine/night, 1000 mag gly/night.
pre work: L-arg. + L- citru. 500
pre work: 25 adrol only 2 or 3 time per week
back to reg gym 3 on 1 off, 3 on 2 off .............

Now here where i need some advise
want to keep my test as trt level or as high as i can with out AI
3mcg cjc+3mcg Ipa. half morning and half before bed
or
some say that i should go straight to LR3 or GH
and that i should add PEG MGF post workout

One thing that is sure, i dont think that i should go back to Tren and Sdrol and 600 test, kind of cycle
im 60 yo soon and i whant to get the most of my cycle with out going nuts with blasting the roof

GH is very interesting obvioulsy but honestly, my budget right now is not that good for the next year or so

I seem to run lower estrogen visually when taking test prop eod or every third day as my test base.

Apparently the supplement calcium d glucarate works to lower estrogen too.

Anything nandrolone or 19-nor will make you more sensitive to estrogen.

Those are the tricks I know off hand. Why are you against aromasin? Might be able to do two weeks on and one week off with it.

 

[silant76]

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I seem to run lower estrogen visually when taking test prop eod or every third day as my test base.

Apparently the supplement calcium d glucarate works to lower estrogen too.

Anything nandrolone or 19-nor will make you more sensitive to estrogen.

Those are the tricks I know off hand. Why are you against aromasin? Might be able to do two weeks on and one week off with it.

I think that i might not explain properly or you missunderstand, i mean or ment
that I try to get the most test and to find the soft spot that i dont need AI, so i run like this for cruise and a little drop of this and that, and if i blast i can add more exemple: adroll npp var higher and even a tone a masterron, its just that

 

[Sorbate]

I think that i might not explain properly or you missunderstand, i mean or ment
that I try to get the most test and to find the soft spot that i dont need AI, so i run like this for cruise and a little drop of this and that, and if i blast i can add more exemple: adroll npp var higher and even a tone a masterron, its just that

I can't remember how old you are, but I know now in my 50's I need a bit of adex even on 125 mg of test. That put me in the middle of the range. I don't want to run less than that.

But if you add in a bit of mast or primo, you won't need an ai. And prop eod even at same dose I get way less estrogen creep. I can go months without an ai. I don't really find a difference between injecting test E 2 times or daily, I seem to get the same estrogen results. But we are all different, all you can do is experiment.

I just take adex (works faster) as needed. I can go weeks, and then the estrogen sides creep up, then I take 0.5 mg. The main side I look for is morning wood. If I get none for a couple days, I know its time.

Its all about reading your body. Not everyone has access to bloodwork every month.

 

[The Caped Crusader]

Avoid ais. Use eq/primo/mast in that preference/strength ai order. Once had a trt plus protocol of 200 test 100 eq, zero ai. Once a blast of 1.6g test 1.2g eq, zero ai. Ais aren’t the best addition to your run and health. The goal is to create a circuit that avoids them until last resort. EQ is your best friend here!