Do you regret taking steroids?

entropy said:
Genetics. Hyper responders. I think this is what ultimately separates many athletes. I agree, anyone starting out fresh would grow really well on low doses. Even bigger fellas do well with minimal gear.

I wanted to try HCG alone and see if I got a boost. Won’t touch gear for a while so I thought maybe I might do that. But got discouraged after reading people say it’s a waste of time. How is that going for you?
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I agree, even bigger guys can do well on low doses. The way I see it is the more advanced we get the more we hone in on diet, training and lifestyle choices we get better at using less.

HCG is great, but i suppose it depends on how well your testicles work. Is it like doing 500mg+ anabolics/ week? No. It's more like a high trt dose. But the mix of hormones in the body is just so right. No messing about with AIs, morning wood consistently. It gives a sense of well being, vitality and vigor kind of like dbol but without the bloat and estrogen.

I could totally see HCG + anavar being a great little cycle for someone looking for a little boost with minimal impact to health markers.
 
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CoolRick said:
I agree, even bigger guys can do well on low doses. The way I see it is the more advanced we get the more we hone in on diet, training and lifestyle choices we get better at using less.

HCG is great, but i suppose it depends on how well your testicles work. Is it like doing 500mg+ anabolics/ week? No. It's more like a high trt dose. But the mix of hormones in the body is just so right. No messing about with AIs, morning wood consistently. It gives a sense of well being, vitality and vigor kind of like dbol but without the bloat and estrogen.

I could totally see HCG + anavar being a great little cycle for someone looking for a little boost with minimal impact to health markets.
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I will do more research on this subject.
 
Taureau said:
Do you regret taking steroids?
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No i do not...
Taureau said:
What made you start?
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To be honest in my youth i was an endurance athlete, even tho i did train i didn't train for size. I did my first cycle because i wanted to get into the underground mines and i was too small and natural bodybuilding wasn't going fast enough. It worked, was a lot easier to get hired for such a physical job walking around with the extra muscle mass.
Taureau said:
What keeps you taking them or what stopped you?
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I fell in love with Bodybuilding...
 
I started taking them to look better and get a gym advantage. I never took them when I played sports.

I do regret having not waited until even 40. I don’t think I need them period but it’s fun and I enjoy cheating.
 
Started a few years ago around 40 AFTER having kids.

Don't regret it. I think I started at the perfect time.

I started because I can tell I was past my Prime. Also, I don't want to have anymore kids.

I feel amazing and bloodwork is normal during PCT. No reason to stop.
 
I keep going on and off. Aside from orals, only test no ester. I either inhale it with a wearable nebulizer or administer rectally. While using serotonin and endorphin antagonists, I feel 0 suppression (I promised to make a lab but I didnt dose it consistently either and felt no suppression, would be a waste of bloodwork if I don't execute the experimental drugging thoroughly)...

I may have linked 50 studies here and a dozen other relevant awesome studies elsewhere, which made me say that estrogen antagonism is retarded. As an analogy, I would preach that steroids, male and female, do not directly act on pituitary to reduce LH. Rather there are multiple intermediary chemicals, one of which are beta endorphins. I said if naturally we have 100 unit point of endorphins, the mega dosing an estrogen antagonist might at best reduce the endorphin levels by... 30 points? So we have 70, or say it slashes to 50 to be generous. Then, taking exogenous androgens, one study showed that a common athlete's nandrolone dose equivalent in a rodent would raise endorphins in a specific brain region 20 fold. Which means you get what... 2000 unit points of endorphins? Okay this is one single brain region, even if that is countered by other effects of the androgen, just a quarter of it would raise original remaining 50 points plus 400 unit points of endorphins. At 450 points you'll sure be suppressed no less than 500 points without the SERM.

And it's probably unnecessary to preach how endorphins just like exogenous opioids CRASH testosterone levels.

Lemme know if you want all the studies and graphs for that...

But here might be final piece to convince someone that endorphins are necessary for LH suppression to occur... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.1987.tb01178.x

Just like in that monkey study where a single dose of nalmefene raised testosterone 10 times above normal levels... it's conclusive enough for me.

I DO NOT regret taking steroids especially since I got no side effects, not even any noticeable suppression.

In fact, I found out that the action on brain and muscle volume lasts far longer than the drug stays in the blood. With rectal and aerosol inhaling administration, no matter how high I dose it, the blood concentrations sure must return to baseline before 12 hours. But I definitely benefit for more than 24 hours after a single dose, even at 48 hours normally it still feels like I'm on something... could be elevated DHT? Could be many mechanisms. Lots of food for thought.
 
By the way... may be a relevant place to re tell my story of how I once tried herbs. Cistanche was so praised by bio hackers and the likes. When I tried it, I got sleepy. Tbe more I took the weaker I felt. Wtf?

It boosts testosterone levels, yes. But it all made sense when I saw studies that it's an androgen antagonist. Blocking androgen receptors raises androgen levels in males, of course. It is said to selectively block hypothalamus AR, not muscle or sexual organ AR, which is very useful.

I think most of you can apply it. If you take large amounts of esterified or otherwise long acting androgens, I recall hypothalamus AR agonism in mice caused increased voluntary and involuntary muscle contractions.... which means for those on heavy, or even moderate cycles or TRT where testosterone levels are nearly stable 24 hours a day... you may antagonize hypothalamus androgen receptors using cistanche and it would cause a deeper sleep with reduced involuntary muscle contracting?
 
I should put a warning here that if anyone thinks of doing nalоxone, what I noticed was a little difficulty falling asleep the first night especially because I was sensitive to it but also because it took a huge dose after noon. One of the main reasons I chose it over naltrexone in the first place was short half life. Taken in morning effects somewhat diminish by evening.

But here is what I personally find worrisome: after about 2 days of not taking it anymore, you get a rebound of excess endorphins. Overly relaxed, lying down and dreaming is orgasmic, and 24 hours day-round you feel like you just fell in love for the first time, no matter what even if you're completely socially isolated. I assume that's what synthetic opioid agonists resemble? I only endured about 3 days of being off of nalоxone because I do feel like my brain testosterone levels are lacking when the endorphins are in excess.

But at least naloxone is not regulated, I imported grams without fees, a milligram per day is enough to prevent this. And with its help I feel no suppression while intermittently using steroids. Additionally endorphins may be a growth limiter to some tissues, they definitely have an impact on bone density, on heart growth in infants.

It's also worth mentioning that I get 0 depression or anything while on naloxone, with or without AAS. Logically one could predict some sort of dysphoria or hyperalgesia. No issues. No immune system compromises, as when others around are severly sick I get very minor throat soreness if anything.
 
I don't however know someone who blasted and cruised for nearly two decades with the vast majority being blast. He has been on TRT for over a decade and body falling apart inside and out- mental health issues, heart issues, joint issues and the list goes on. Early 50's looking like early 60's in the face, skin, tired eyes and such.
 
CoolRick said:
I agree, even bigger guys can do well on low doses. The way I see it is the more advanced we get the more we hone in on diet, training and lifestyle choices we get better at using less.

HCG is great, but i suppose it depends on how well your testicles work. Is it like doing 500mg+ anabolics/ week? No. It's more like a high trt dose. But the mix of hormones in the body is just so right. No messing about with AIs, morning wood consistently. It gives a sense of well being, vitality and vigor kind of like dbol but without the bloat and estrogen.

I could totally see HCG + anavar being a
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Horror Cock said:
I should put a warning here that if anyone thinks of doing nalоxone, what I noticed was a little difficulty falling asleep the first night especially because I was sensitive to it but also because it took a huge dose after noon. One of the main reasons I chose it over naltrexone in the first place was short half life. Taken in morning effects somewhat diminish by evening.

But here is what I personally find worrisome: after about 2 days of not taking it anymore, you get a rebound of excess endorphins. Overly relaxed, lying down and dreaming is orgasmic, and 24 hours day-round you feel like you just fell in love for the first time, no matter what even if you're completely socially isolated. I assume that's what synthetic opioid agonists resemble? I only endured about 3 days of being off of nalоxone because I do feel like my brain testosterone levels are lacking when the endorphins are in excess.

But at least naloxone is not regulated, I imported grams without fees, a milligram per day is enough to prevent this. And with its help I feel no suppression while intermittently using steroids. Additionally endorphins may be a growth limiter to some tissues, they definitely have an impact on bone density, on heart growth in infants.

It's also worth mentioning that I get 0 depression or anything while on naloxone, with or without AAS. Logically one could predict some sort of dysphoria or hyperalgesia. No issues. No immune system compromises, as when others around are severly sick I get very minor throat soreness if anything.
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Why are you taking naloxone? Isn't that for if someone overdoses?
 
Musclemaker said:
And you shoot this straight into your ass like an enema? Fack I’m getting old, I thought IM was the way to go.
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I got into it when I was megadosing tongkat ali 5% eurycomanone extract. I puked a couple times and heavy nausea, so I decided to do it rectally. Worked. That's how I went over the fear of boofing.
 
Bigbear said:
Why are you taking naloxone? Isn't that for if someone overdoses?
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I'll post it one last time. I'm not asking for any advice, and if less people are onto it... I suppose I have an advantage.





In one study they gave men DHT to raise above normal levels 300% for 4 days. It plummeted LH. A single dose of naltrexone restored LH above baseline while DHT was still 300%.



Similarly the other study raised Testosterone to 250% and of course it lowered LH. Upon administering naloxone, LH went insignificantly above baseline.




More effective and less toxic than estrogen antagonism for preventing LH drop while on AAS.
 
Horror Cock said:
I'll post it one last time. I'm not asking for any advice, and if less people are onto it... I suppose I have an advantage.





In one study they gave men DHT to raise above normal levels 300% for 4 days. It plummeted LH. A single dose of naltrexone restored LH above baseline while DHT was still 300%.



Similarly the other study raised Testosterone to 250% and of course it lowered LH. Upon administering naloxone, LH went insignificantly above baseline.




More effective and less toxic than estrogen antagonism for preventing LH drop while on AAS.
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I just gotta say man you are an extremly unique individual based off of your posts. I'm genuinely intrigued. What do you do for work and or did you go to university for anything? Also I might have missed other posts but are you an athlete or bodybuilder? This forum is so cool it could just literally be for all dudes and honestly other then testosterone most guys here don't even really discuss weight lifting just I'm just curious.
 
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