The Effects of Growth Hormone and/or Testosterone in Healthy Elderly Men: A Randomized Controlled Trial

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Morning,

@Sorbate and other who may be interested. This is a study aimed at determining the effects of HGH alone or HGH and testosterone in determining muscle growth/fat loss, muscle strength and aerobic output.


There are not many to find, but I will continue to peruse the usual sites I read studies on.
The end results appear to be the same from what I read:
Note this was an 8 week study with the aim of getting IGF in the upper half for the age, testosterone was administered via patches. It appears to be a well controlled study and I found the results interesting - only one of the different groups that had fat loss were the ones with HGH and testosterone, mid thigh muscle and aerobic output increased with HGH and test. While strength increases were variable - the most significant increases were with HGH and testosterone combines. Don't think this is a shocker.

If you take a deeper dive using AI - you will find the general conclusion is:

"While HGH shows promise for reversing some aging-related body composition changes (more muscle, less fat) in elderly men with sarcopenia, its use for improving functional strength is less clear, and potential side effects limit its widespread recommendation without careful consideration, often requiring exercise and testosterone to maximize benefits."

Thought I would post this per out conversation regarding HGH use / testosterone use studies and not many on both. I am sure there are more. This one was done by the Oxford University (I believe which is a reputable source of information - again my opinion).

GR
 
Goldenrod said:
Morning,

@Sorbate and other who may be interested. This is a study aimed at determining the effects of HGH alone or HGH and testosterone in determining muscle growth/fat loss, muscle strength and aerobic output.


There are not many to find, but I will continue to peruse the usual sites I read studies on.
The end results appear to be the same from what I read:
Note this was an 8 week study with the aim of getting IGF in the upper half for the age, testosterone was administered via patches. It appears to be a well controlled study and I found the results interesting - only one of the different groups that had fat loss were the ones with HGH and testosterone, mid thigh muscle and aerobic output increased with HGH and test. While strength increases were variable - the most significant increases were with HGH and testosterone combines. Don't think this is a shocker.

If you take a deeper dive using AI - you will find the general conclusion is:

"While HGH shows promise for reversing some aging-related body composition changes (more muscle, less fat) in elderly men with sarcopenia, its use for improving functional strength is less clear, and potential side effects limit its widespread recommendation without careful consideration, often requiring exercise and testosterone to maximize benefits."

Thought I would post this per out conversation regarding HGH use / testosterone use studies and not many on both. I am sure there are more. This one was done by the Oxford University (I believe which is a reputable source of information - again my opinion).

GR
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Too bad I couldn’t seed the whole study. I was interested in what the average gh dosage was.

Now I wonder what would be the outcome of test/gh and copper peptide.
 
I will tell you now, that in my late 30s, I get injured doing things I shouldn't (like warm ups) more often than not if I am not on gh. After my last bout of injuires, my plan is to just run 3-4ius indefinitely.
 
Bignate said:
I will tell you now, that in my late 30s, I get injured doing things I shouldn't (like warm ups) more often than not if I am not on gh. After my last bout of injuires, my plan is to just run 3-4ius indefinitely.
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You will get a very positive effect even from 1 iu, and I believe will avoid the risk of maybe growing cancers.
 
Would doing tesamorelin be just as good as doing 1 or 2 iu of growth hormone with the added benefit of losing mid section fat and visceral fat or would it be a waste of money and just stick with hgh?
 
Goldenrod said:
Morning,

@Sorbate and other who may be interested. This is a study aimed at determining the effects of HGH alone or HGH and testosterone in determining muscle growth/fat loss, muscle strength and aerobic output.


There are not many to find, but I will continue to peruse the usual sites I read studies on.
The end results appear to be the same from what I read:
Note this was an 8 week study with the aim of getting IGF in the upper half for the age, testosterone was administered via patches. It appears to be a well controlled study and I found the results interesting - only one of the different groups that had fat loss were the ones with HGH and testosterone, mid thigh muscle and aerobic output increased with HGH and test. While strength increases were variable - the most significant increases were with HGH and testosterone combines. Don't think this is a shocker.

If you take a deeper dive using AI - you will find the general conclusion is:

"While HGH shows promise for reversing some aging-related body composition changes (more muscle, less fat) in elderly men with sarcopenia, its use for improving functional strength is less clear, and potential side effects limit its widespread recommendation without careful consideration, often requiring exercise and testosterone to maximize benefits."

Thought I would post this per out conversation regarding HGH use / testosterone use studies and not many on both. I am sure there are more. This one was done by the Oxford University (I believe which is a reputable source of information - again my opinion).

GR
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Good information GR. Love this kind of info from reputable studies.
 
Sorbate said:
You will get a very positive effect even from 1 iu, and I believe will avoid the risk of maybe growing cancers.
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Would you say that 1iu applies to pharma only, or generic as well? I've always heard you need more generic to match a pharma dose.
 
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vancitybb said:
Would you say that 1iu applies to pharma only, or generic as well? I've always heard you need more genetic to match a pharma dose.
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Generic was so inconsistent, sometimes I could only run 1 iu because of sides, other times I would run 4 iu because it was weak. But if its legit generic it should be the same as pharma in usage at least by theory.
 
Sorbate said:
Generic was so inconsistent, sometimes I could only run 1 iu because of sides, other times I would run 4 iu because it was weak. But if its legit generic it should be the same as pharma in usage at least by theory.
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I'm running 2iu of GGC HGH with zero sides, kind of wondering if I should push up to 4iu for a bit more muscle-building benefits vs just collagen, recovery, etc (which i feel has been beneficial so far).
 
vancitybb said:
I'm running 2iu of GGC HGH with zero sides, kind of wondering if I should push up to 4iu for a bit more muscle-building benefits vs just collagen, recovery, etc (which i feel has been beneficial so far).
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I've used gh for a few years on and off and I found you don't really feel good gh. You will notice that it is easier to stay lean (if that is your body type). Feel a bit more filled out maybe.

I think if you are older its more pronounced, and there are studies showing it can help to improve your organs because they shrink as you get older like 50/60+. I would think that your organs shrinking may not be a good thing, lol.

Also as you age your jaw changes and your teeth can point inwards, I read studies where gh can stop that from happening.

I don't run stuff to chase sides anymore. I just run what works and be patient. So you could bump to 4 iu then after a couple of weeks have joint aching, sore wrists then back off from that dose.
 
Sorbate said:
I've used gh for a few years on and off and I found you don't really feel good gh. You will notice that it is easier to stay lean (if that is your body type). Feel a bit more filled out maybe.

I think if you are older its more pronounced, and there are studies showing it can help to improve your organs because they shrink as you get older like 50/60+. I would think that your organs shrinking may not be a good thing, lol.

Also as you age your jaw changes and your teeth can point inwards, I read studies where gh can stop that from happening.

I don't run stuff to chase sides anymore. I just run what works and be patient. So you could bump to 4 iu then after a couple of weeks have joint aching, sore wrists then back off from that dose.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't implying I think the gh is low quality due to lack of sides, quite the contrary! I was just pointing out that I'm not getting sides at 2iu, so thinking I can push it up a bit and keep feeling fine, perhaps realize more beneficial effects.

I'm just entering a cutting phase, and I'd like to hold on to as much muscle as possible. I understand gh can help with that.

This has been my first ever run of gh, so I'm still a bit green in terms of dosing, figuring out what my body can tolerate, and so on.
 
vancitybb said:
Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't implying I think the gh is low quality due to lack of sides, quite the contrary! I was just pointing out that I'm not getting sides at 2iu, so thinking I can push it up a bit and keep feeling fine, perhaps realize more beneficial effects.

I'm just entering a cutting phase, and I'd like to hold on to as much muscle as possible. I understand gh can help with that.

This has been my first ever run of gh, so I'm still a bit green in terms of dosing, figuring out what my body can tolerate, and so on.
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I found being consistant every day and taking it for months at a time is the key.

For me the fat loss, improved skin starts to happen around 3 months.

And I only use 1iu. My thought is 1 iu for a year is better than 2 iu for 6 months, especially if you are over 50
 
Ive used gh off and on over the years but never usually more then 6months at a time. I buy a couple kits then i run out and dont reload.
Ive started it back up again at 1.5iu/day and i going to keep it there. Plan is to keep it there long term this time.
To be honest, the only thing i really noticed from my gh runs was that i looked better while in the gym. Wasnt much of a difference outside while not pumped. Never ran high doses tho. 4 iu was the highest i have gone cause im a poor construction worker.
But 50 is around the corner and gear doses have gone down a lot over the last 4-5 years. So i figured it would be a good idea to put this back it and leave it there
 
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