Testosterone Ester Myth Busters

[Oldguyjiujitsu]

So there are several urban legends, known truths, 1/2 truths and facts about the different Testosterone esters out there. If you review a lot of the secondary research out their by the "experts" on social media, many of them are contradictory. So where best to disseminate fact from fiction than from the wealth of experience right here at CB, who likely have first hand experience. Thought i would list a few statements to get peoples input. (gladly add more)

1. Short esters (such as test propionate) cause less bloat (water retention) than long esters (Enenthate or Cypionate) as they convert less to estrogen than longer esters.
2. As test is test, other than 1/2 life, there is no difference between them
3. No matter the ester, for the most stable hormones, all esters would benefit from being pinned multiple times per week.
4. Shorter the esters the greater the PIP (prop has more than enenthate, which has more than cypionate)
5. With shorter esters an individual is likely to have more side effects than longer esters.
6. Short esters give individual a much quicker "exit strategy" if they experience unwanted sides.

I personally have limited facts to offer as my Testosterone experience has exclusively been with Test Suspension (20 years ago) and Test Cypionate (last 5-7 years) and they were with dramatically different dosages.

Thoughts?

 

[Beothuk]

I agree with your statements
Shorter esters seem to cause more pip for the majority of users but no necessarily.
Personally speaking test acetate is less painful than prop and of course suspension usual brings most pip
Once I use long esters such a cyp, enth or decanoate i find no difference in pip ,which is usually none , if product is brewed correctly!

 

[gondar1]

So there are several urban legends, known truths, 1/2 truths and facts about the different Testosterone esters out there. If you review a lot of the secondary research out their by the "experts" on social media, many of them are contradictory. So where best to disseminate fact from fiction than from the wealth of experience right here at CB, who likely have first hand experience. Thought i would list a few statements to get peoples input. (gladly add more)

1. Short esters (such as test propionate) cause less bloat (water retention) than long esters (Enenthate or Cypionate) as they convert less to estrogen than longer esters. Never seen actual evidence of this other than anecdotes. You'd have to compare the two very carefully taking mg/mg of hormone, dosing schedule etc into consideration, it would get pretty complicated. Never done that comparison personally because I've only used Test E and C
2. As test is test, other than 1/2 life, there is no difference between them Yes
3. No matter the ester, for the most stable hormones, all esters would benefit from being pinned multiple times per week. Yes, but I'm not sure that should be the goal or a highest priority consideration (assuming fluctuations are not "too" crazy)
4. Shorter the esters the greater the PIP (prop has more than enenthate, which has more than cypionate) If this is true would it be more as a result of differences in brewing protocal than the raw material itself? I dunno, not a brewer but suspension comes to mind as a solid example
5. With shorter esters an individual is likely to have more side effects than longer esters. I can only see this making logical sense if dosing sched results in different peaks and troughs of levels or again maybe differences in brewing procedures
6. Short esters give individual a much quicker "exit strategy" if they experience unwanted sides. Yes, theoretically it's effectively 5 1/2 lives to zero out. Regardless of how you look at 1/2 lives (terminal?) the differences are apparent - If Prop has a 1 day 1/2 life then 5 1/2 lives is 5 days to effectively be zero'd out. If Undecanote has a 20 day 1/2 life that's 100 days.

I personally have limited facts to offer as my Testosterone experience has exclusively been with Test Suspension (20 years ago) and Test Cypionate (last 5-7 years) and they were with dramatically different dosages.

Thoughts?

Obviously I'm not nailing much down here but those are some of my thoughts fwiw

 

[biguglynewf]

All esters truly have to do with is the length the stay within the muscle. Esters are carbon rich and this fat loving. The more carbons, the more time it will stay in tissue. The longer and or more complex the the ester ( arrangement and bonding can affect rates as well) the longer and more slowly it will be released.

So with all that is posted above it more really comes down to the predictability (so to speak) of rate that it is released or depot.

The testosterone is in fact just that.... the testosterone. However how the esters and how the affect rate of release couple with factors such as dosage frequency etc can affect how the body is using it and how much is available. Pip from the hormone itself. Meh.... too much to type. In the case of most though, testosterone included, the longer the more carbon laden the water, the less painful it’s going to be.

As long as it’s made properly.

If anyone can shed some light onto why did some reason I can no longer use test e withought developing the worst pip ever..... I would love to hear it. I cannot use it and have thrown out an obscene amount of it because of it. I had used it for well over a decade without issue. But let’s start another thread on that, I’m the king of hijacking thread....