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At first I saw the facebook post of a Chief of a Alberta reservation with pictures of his face beaten up and the post said the RCMP assulted him unjustly etc..

I'm not a racist, this is a promise. I do know there's two sides to every story.

The RCMP released the video of the arrest today on edmontonsun. https://edmontonsun.com/ .. Video is near the bottom.

Although I do not know the history of this fellow when he states several times that he is tired of being harrassed by the RCMP and I do not know why the truck was pulled over, I can honestly say by watching the video that he really earned his arrest.

He threatened the officer several times..
He refused to comply with the officers orders which I'm sure the intent was to keep EVERYONE in the situation safe (including the ppl in the vehicle and the bystandarders)
He looked several times like he was going to run.
He really looked like he was looking through the vehicle for something (the bag) and going from side door to side door.
He was trying to get the driver to drive away (just my opinion)

the first officer remained incredibly calm. I swear on my kids lives, if I behaved like that when I was pulled over I would only expect to be pepper sprayed or tased by that first officer. He did an incredible job removing emotions from the situation and seriously put his life in danger by not tasing/pepper spraying the man and allowing him to go on his rampage.

I do feel like the second officer on site did not need to charge in with a flying tackle though. He was also the guy who punched him on the ground. I've worked at a bar for many years and yes, I did a running tackle on a guy before as he was assulting my co worker. I never did a running tackle on someone if they were not hurting another person. Never did I feel the need to punch someone when I already had them on the ground. I feel like the cop(s) could have got the cuffs on him without the punch. But I am not a trained RCMP so I don't know what they are trained to do.

I would also be deeply ashamed if that man was the leader in my community. What a terrible way to act as a leader. The swearing, the threatening etc.. Lead by example how you want others who you lead to act. I really hope he doesn't want his community members to act the way he did. I am guessing he was drinking, and we all have bad momments drinking, but this guy is bringing critizin upon himself when he posted his injuries on facebook and called them unjust injuries from an unjust arrest. The guy wasn't under arrest until the threatening started...

I also recongnize the spectacle that was created towards the end. I feel like the ppl in the car would be angry about that, but if someone one up's an officer, the officer is forced to one up in response in a situation like this. So once you put your truck in gear and try to drive away, threaten, refuse to comply etc.. you open the doors to as many RCMP available to show up to ensure everyone's safety.

Again, I am not racist.... But the original facebook post was accusing the RCMP of racial profiling. If that man was white, I truly think he would have gotten worse treatment like a taser or pepper spray.

I feel for cops now.. How do you do your job when dealing with any type of minority group (race, gender, sexuality) when your worried you will be the next face on the news as a racist...

Don't get me wrong, there is racist ppl in every corner of the world in every job, but I don't think the vast majority of RCMP are. But then again, being a white guy maybe I've never had the chance to experience it for myself how it truly is? Even so, I still don't think the majority are racist or looking to treat minorities worse then others.
 
I saw the video and if i tore my coat off and put my fists up to anybody i would expect a fight.
Do that to a cop and expect to get beat by all his buddies.
I get it though. Now any time cops go near anyone thats not white it is called racism. We can thank our leaders for that. Going on tv saying we live in a racist society.
I am not racist but anytime i have been to that casino, or Baileys pub right across the parking lot, ive been close to getting into it with a few native guys. Not because of their race, but their attitude.
Back to the cops, i am sure if anyone no matter what colour you are fights back during arrest you will get the same treatment. Been there, done that. Lol
 
I have some time while i wait for a meeting and was reading the news again..

Here is a article about another aboriginal man who died while police tried to subdue him. I'll let you read the article, but no video is released. It seems pretty obvious what happened if you believe the words in the article. Again, no video..
edmontonsun.com

Parents of Goodfish Lake man who died in struggle with RCMP question 'excited delirium' as cause of death

The parents of a man who died after being Tasered by RCMP officers is seeking an independent review of his son's autopsy, which attributed his death to a controversial condition called "excited delirium" syndrome.
edmontonsun.com edmontonsun.com


What is scary to me is that it seems our PM is pushing things in the direction for riots in Canada. I completely support equal treatment of all people of every color. I completely support severe consequences for police for inappropriate use of force like George Floyd regardless of his past crinimal history, but holy fuck it appears the much of these incidents that being brought up clearly are not racist responses or excessive use of force.

Again, it seems our PM either doesn't understnad Canada will soon have our own violent protests if things continue. I'm fine with peaceful protest to support someone's beliefs, but sadly the protesting isn't happening that way for much of the time.

Read our PM's opion on the aboriginal cheifs arrest in the video I previously posted.
canoe.com

Trudeau calls video of RCMP tackling Indigenous chief ’shocking’ and wants answers

Politicians of various political stripes are demanding answers after watching dash-cam video of a violent arrest of a prominent chief of a northern Alberta…
canoe.com canoe.com

Again as I stated before, Did the second office need to tackle and punch? I don't think so, but I am also unaware of their training or the entire situation or the radio talk that night. But again, I as I stated, if I acted that way I wouldn't be shocked if I was tased and pepper sprayed many times over.
 
As soon as he took to the tv a couple weeks back after the Floyd bullshit making statements that basically all Canadians are racist towards blacks, that was absolutely a dog whistle to his base to create chaos.
The situation in the USA is orchestrated by the same radical left participants that direct our government.
Acording to. CAnadian law he should be charged with inciting violence and hate speech.
This is where law enforcement truly fails to do their job when this cock sucking criminal gets a pass on every crime he commits.
 
superbeast said:
As soon as he took to the tv a couple weeks back after the Floyd bullshit making statements that basically all Canadians are racist towards blacks, that was absolutely a dog whistle to his base to create chaos.
The situation in the USA is orchestrated by the same radical left participants that direct our government.
Acording to. CAnadian law he should be charged with inciting violence and hate speech.
This is where law enforcement truly fails to do their job when this cock sucking criminal gets a pass on every crime he commits.
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I'm not on the inside loop, so I'm really not sure what the RCMP can do? Did Trudeu not just block the full RCMP investigation into SNLC incident?
 
the thing is: no officer in the video could know if a passenger or bystander had a firearm or weapon to harm the officer.

your right, the first officer was calm and did not escalate the situation. The second officer perceived a threat to the safety of himself or another officer.

nobody, not under any circumstance should passively standby/stand down when they perceive an unsafe situation.

this begs the question about reasonable force. was the officers amiunt of force justifiable?

Do a little experiment at home: pay 6 homeless guys of any racial background, creed, color or religion to sit, in the dead of night, in your car in your driveway, in that car with blacked-out windows, give one guy a shotgun, give another guy a box of shells, give two others loaded glocks, and the other two can have bowie knives. Make sure all of the firearms are illegal through Windsor Ontario from Detroit with serial numbers ground off. Now, Give all of them unlimited alcohol to drink for 2 hours and then tell them you want them all to turn themselves in to the police because they have been violating the law. You'll be dead and buried before they catch these guys.

This is the scenario the police officers were faced with-
fact - several unknown suspects
fact - no evidence of no firearms
fact - dead of night
fact - alcohol was a factor
fact - the suspect was confrontational
fact - a law had been violated
fact - a police officer was fulfilling his obligation as a Peace Officer to maintain safety
fact - the police did not escalate the situation

I'm not saying it's always like this. But how can you do your job when every possibility for danger is on the table? I'm guessing that the police officer who tackled, felt a sense of urgency, non-compliance, or threat of danger before acting. I have no clue what oath or standard or threshhold a police officer has to meet in order to become a copper, but from what i saw in the news articles, i'm sure that the threshhold was met.
 
I guarantee if I acted like that prior to all of this recent stuff the cops are dealing with. I guarantee I would have gotten tased and it would not have lasted as long as it did for this Chief.
Crazy man, I cannot believe the utter asshole behavior the cop put up with. His Jackie chan pose martial arts stance, the lady driver trying to drive away. Sorry but this was bad on so many levels and I give kudos to that cop for staying as calm as he did.
The second cop went full blown pretty quick. They were pulling out bags and containers and sifting through them and putting in back of truck etc.
That right there warranted an uptick in the scenario.
This is pretty bad if the cop gets in trouble I say.
Yes JT is inciting violence IMHO, and he wants to do so. To drive the agenda I think.
Nutty
 
animal-inside said:
I'm not on the inside loop, so I'm really not sure what the RCMP can do? Did Trudeu not just block the full RCMP investigation into SNLC incident?
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Yes. He directly obstructed our AG with threats for prosecuting his buddies at SNC. When she stood up for herself and the law, he fired her.
Took bribes. Was found guilty by ethics commissioner twice. No police investigation.
if i went on TV and said blacks are inherently racist and must be dealt with, you can bet your ass i would be charged with hate crimes and inciting violence within an hour.
 
all of it is intended to create divisions in society. the bolsheviks did it to Russia starting before the revolution.

cia did it in ukraine a few years ago.

cia in yugoslavia in 2000.

cia in kyrgyzstan in 2005.

cia in Georgia in 2003.

cia did it in Middle East.

last year in Canada it was Islamaphobia...

intended to create hate and civil unrest where there currently is none.

this will eventually break supply chains, and unemployment will lead to loss of real estate ownership...

funny that the same thing happened at the battle of waterloo when the bankers falsely told the public that Napoleon won the battle and out of fear of being taken over by the French Army, people sold everything ... then the real news came through that the british had won, but by that point banks owned all the real estate that the plebes sold out of fear.... we're seeing a lead-up to moderm fear mongering that will put land holdings back in the hands of the top 1% of the population.
 
The fact that this comes out now is too damn convenient.

The police were investigating this guy because of an expired val tag. Common practice to cruise parking lots, find them and wait until the vehicle moves to bag the operator.

Guy was confrontational, not following direction, drunk as all fuck..... it was a complete shit show!

First officer was more than patient. His only fault was letting it go on too long. It was escalating.

Second guy tackled the chief for his own good. I know that sounds fucked up and terrible to say. Unfortunately sometimes, especially when you deal with intoxicated folks or folks that are just plain angry you have to shit shut down.

The shenanigans that were allowed to go on were ridiculous. Tackling a guy full out takes him to the ground without too much damage to the officer.

People forget about their safety too. This fuckbag was running around and trying to fight. Rather than tackle him they could have tased the fucker.... but then that’s wrong too. Taking him to the ground quickly is a smart move. Punching him? Maybe not? But then I’m not the one trying to get him in cuffs? Why should the police take stray punches from this guy. A quick tap or two gets compliance pretty quick. Or at least affords me some ability to now get his hands where I want them as he’s now not able to fight.

Hindsight is always 20/20 from the comfort of your living room after the fact.

How much fuckery and nonsense from the public should police have to put up with?

I don’t care who this guy is. I don’t care what position he holds in society.

His vehicle wasn’t legsl
He acted like a complete moron
He tried to fight a police officer
The car was put in motion after it was ordered to be parked and shut off
There were all kinds of people in and out of the car
Weapons had to have been a concern
He appeared to be intoxicated and as such unpredictable and obviously wanted a fight

Well. He got one.

Again.... why should police have to put up with this? A knife comes out or anything. It’s the cops funeral leaving his family behind. Fuck that.

People need to realize that there are consequences for their fuckbag actions.

It’s s dirty job....sometimes dealing with fuckbags like this guy. Shit is going to get messy.

If Trudeau wants to run his big fucking mouth so much and take knees and other stupidity.... I would be asking him to come out on a week or two of ridealongs just so he can see what kind of shit these cops get to deal with every single working day of their lives.
 
biguglynewf said:
The fact that this comes out now is too damn convenient.

The police were investigating this guy because of an expired val tag. Common practice to cruise parking lots, find them and wait until the vehicle moves to bag the operator.

Guy was confrontational, not following direction, drunk as all fuck..... it was a complete shit show!

First officer was more than patient. His only fault was letting it go on too long. It was escalating.

Second guy tackled the chief for his own good. I know that sounds fucked up and terrible to say. Unfortunately sometimes, especially when you deal with intoxicated folks or folks that are just plain angry you have to shit shut down.

The shenanigans that were allowed to go on were ridiculous. Tackling a guy full out takes him to the ground without too much damage to the officer.

People forget about their safety too. This fuckbag was running around and trying to fight. Rather than tackle him they could have tased the fucker.... but then that’s wrong too. Taking him to the ground quickly is a smart move. Punching him? Maybe not? But then I’m not the one trying to get him in cuffs? Why should the police take stray punches from this guy. A quick tap or two gets compliance pretty quick. Or at least affords me some ability to now get his hands where I want them as he’s now not able to fight.

Hindsight is always 20/20 from the comfort of your living room after the fact.

How much fuckery and nonsense from the public should police have to put up with?

I don’t care who this guy is. I don’t care what position he holds in society.

His vehicle wasn’t legsl
He acted like a complete moron
He tried to fight a police officer
The car was put in motion after it was ordered to be parked and shut off
There were all kinds of people in and out of the car
Weapons had to have been a concern
He appeared to be intoxicated and as such unpredictable and obviously wanted a fight

Well. He got one.

Again.... why should police have to put up with this? A knife comes out or anything. It’s the cops funeral leaving his family behind. Fuck that.

People need to realize that there are consequences for their fuckbag actions.

It’s s dirty job....sometimes dealing with fuckbags like this guy. Shit is going to get messy.

If Trudeau wants to run his big fucking mouth so much and take knees and other stupidity.... I would be asking him to come out on a week or two of ridealongs just so he can see what kind of shit these cops get to deal with every single working day of their lives.
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I think given the circumstances he was justified punching him on the ground. My guess is buddy was still putting up a fight and who knows what he could pull out of his pocket.
If the takedown didnt convince him it was over then a smack to the face is needed.
it would be different if the cop stood over him and boot fucked him but thats not what happened.
With all the divide currently due to our leaders and media creating it, the cops have to move quickly to avoid a lynching.
 
animal-inside said:
The Aboriginal Chief had the charges agsinst him dropped..

He was able to act like that, threaten officers etc and get away with it just because right now the world has a hard on against cops, not because he wassn't guilty..

I can't bring myself to read the article..

https://canoe.com/news/local-news/chief-allan-adam-arrest/wcm/82456d55-75cd-4694-a10f-ddd3cd3a921b
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Yep. They are sending a bad message. That is my home too. Glad to know its lawless. I feel much safer raising my family there.
The Casino will look like the Double Deuce soon.
 
animal-inside said:
At first I saw the facebook post of a Chief of a Alberta reservation with pictures of his face beaten up and the post said the RCMP assulted him unjustly etc..

I'm not a racist, this is a promise. I do know there's two sides to every story.

The RCMP released the video of the arrest today on edmontonsun. https://edmontonsun.com/ .. Video is near the bottom.

Although I do not know the history of this fellow when he states several times that he is tired of being harrassed by the RCMP and I do not know why the truck was pulled over, I can honestly say by watching the video that he really earned his arrest.

He threatened the officer several times..
He refused to comply with the officers orders which I'm sure the intent was to keep EVERYONE in the situation safe (including the ppl in the vehicle and the bystandarders)
He looked several times like he was going to run.
He really looked like he was looking through the vehicle for something (the bag) and going from side door to side door.
He was trying to get the driver to drive away (just my opinion)

the first officer remained incredibly calm. I swear on my kids lives, if I behaved like that when I was pulled over I would only expect to be pepper sprayed or tased by that first officer. He did an incredible job removing emotions from the situation and seriously put his life in danger by not tasing/pepper spraying the man and allowing him to go on his rampage.

I do feel like the second officer on site did not need to charge in with a flying tackle though. He was also the guy who punched him on the ground. I've worked at a bar for many years and yes, I did a running tackle on a guy before as he was assulting my co worker. I never did a running tackle on someone if they were not hurting another person. Never did I feel the need to punch someone when I already had them on the ground. I feel like the cop(s) could have got the cuffs on him without the punch. But I am not a trained RCMP so I don't know what they are trained to do.

I would also be deeply ashamed if that man was the leader in my community. What a terrible way to act as a leader. The swearing, the threatening etc.. Lead by example how you want others who you lead to act. I really hope he doesn't want his community members to act the way he did. I am guessing he was drinking, and we all have bad momments drinking, but this guy is bringing critizin upon himself when he posted his injuries on facebook and called them unjust injuries from an unjust arrest. The guy wasn't under arrest until the threatening started...

I also recongnize the spectacle that was created towards the end. I feel like the ppl in the car would be angry about that, but if someone one up's an officer, the officer is forced to one up in response in a situation like this. So once you put your truck in gear and try to drive away, threaten, refuse to comply etc.. you open the doors to as many RCMP available to show up to ensure everyone's safety.

Again, I am not racist.... But the original facebook post was accusing the RCMP of racial profiling. If that man was white, I truly think he would have gotten worse treatment like a taser or pepper spray.

I feel for cops now.. How do you do your job when dealing with any type of minority group (race, gender, sexuality) when your worried you will be the next face on the news as a racist...

Don't get me wrong, there is racist ppl in every corner of the world in every job, but I don't think the vast majority of RCMP are. But then again, being a white guy maybe I've never had the chance to experience it for myself how it truly is? Even so, I still don't think the majority are racist or looking to treat minorities worse then others.
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I chance to reply to this. I didn't see the video or how the Chief was handled.

I can speak from experience that there is a way of doing things on a reservation. I assume the Chief would have been from one (but I haven't looked...too tired and in bed). They have a way on the reservation and sometimes it becomes a mindset. Especially if someone from there doesn't leave a lot. It's when some leave their reservations that they fail to remember sometimes that they in many ways are walking into a very different world. You drive weird/drunk on a res and the res cops will pull you over, help get your truck(and you) home, give you a little tongue wagging about safety and move on. You drive weird/drunk on a public road, threaten and try to outmuscle a cop verbally and you're going to jail. No ifs, no ands, no buts, no special privileges because you're not on a res and no special privileges because you're the Chief. Out on public roads, you are just a person like everyone else so you just go to jail. It's at that point, where things go badly. Chiefs enjoy a lot of respect and in their society have earned that respect in the eyes of the people on the res. It doesn't work that way on public roads though. I've seen outrage at being treated with perfect respect and care just by having to put my hands on someone. (they don't like that either) Cuffs are like an injustice because they have a "right to be free."

Very difficult situation. It's why where I'm from that when someone goes too far with tuning his wife on the reservation and they needed us(we would only be called if she needed hospital), we went on to the reservation with res cops with us. To do otherwise could be dangerous to our health despite shit hitting the fan (a murder or susp. death). I won't go into a lot but I went on to reservations most of the time with one of their officers and I saw people that had to have been beaten to within an inch of their lives. Knife wounds. Gunshot wounds. I saw a woman had beaten her sister so bad with a rock that her skull was enlarged and I suspected it was fractured in multiple places. All handled locally so we could just sigh and go on with why were called.

A friend/coworker who thought a rock had jumped up inside the back wheel well of his car before getting to his destination inside the res and discovering that someone out of the cornfield just inside the res had timed him coming on the res from the phone call and pumped a deer slug into his car when he drove by, sums up what some indigenous people think of police. This is despite some of us being pretty damn accommodating and pretty helpful when one of their kids stole a car and lit it up on a res(a fairly often occurrence) or they had shit that they just couldn't suppress inside the indigenous society they live.

I drove A TON of drunken males and females still needing to walk the better part of 15km back to the edge of their res for no hassle, no check on age, just hands-free in the back like a drunken indigenous cab company. I couldn't count the number of times a sexual act was offered for a ride home despite me telling her I wasn't going to arrest her and was taking her to the border for free. For most of us, it's nothing because we put in 12 hours. Waiting for someone to go off a road, a domestic, a suicide, a horrible MVC(Multi-Vehicle Collision...there's no such thing as an accident), monitoring speed or driving someone back home is just putting in time. Some of the guys from reservations are actually quite funny while lit up...usually the same guys.

There is A LOT that happens though on reservations that should have people in jail that just gets separated and someone beat to crap "just hangs out at her sisters for a couple of days until things 'cool down'." Someone lit up and drives his truck into a fence is checked to see if he's okay, if the truck still runs, one res cop drives it while the other res cop drives whoever did it home and gets them in bed. Outside, you say you're "The Chief", I don't know you and I would assume someone, unfortunately, named you Chief Bombay, I don't assume you're Chief Daniel Bombay of a res and expect res treatment on a public road after you just wrapped your truck around and snapped off a hydro pole. Forehead split from side to side so you can't even see from the blood in your eyes but I can see your skull and you're screaming at me wondering why I need to cuff your aggressive and combative ass into the back of an ambulance? That type of mentality and behaviour and special treatment just doesn't work out in public and they forget shit changes when they cross the line from reservation to public.
 
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LePsyber said:
I chance to reply to this. I didn't see the video or how the Chief was handled.

I can speak from experience that there is a way of doing things on a reservation. I assume the Chief would have been from one (but I haven't looked...too tired and in bed). They have a way on the reservation and sometimes it becomes a mindset. Especially if someone from there doesn't leave a lot. It's when some leave their reservations that they fail to remember sometimes that they in many ways are walking into a very different world. You drive weird/drunk on a res and the res cops will pull you over, help get your truck(and you) home, give you a little tongue wagging about safety and move on. You drive weird/drunk on a public road, threaten and try to outmuscle a cop verbally and you're going to jail. No ifs, no ands, no buts, no special privileges because you're not on a res and no special privileges because you're the Chief. Out on public roads, you are just a person like everyone else so you just go to jail. It's at that point, where things go badly. Chiefs enjoy a lot of respect and in their society have earned that respect in the eyes of the people on the res. It doesn't work that way on public roads though. I've seen outrage at being treated with perfect respect and care just by having to put my hands on someone. (they don't like that either) Cuffs are like an injustice because they have a "right to be free."

Very difficult situation. It's why where I'm from that when someone goes too far with tuning his wife on the reservation and they needed us(we would only be called if she needed hospital), we went on to the reservation with res cops with us. To do otherwise could be dangerous to our health despite shit hitting the fan (a murder or susp. death).

A friend/coworker who thought a rock had jumped up inside the back wheel well of his car before getting to his destination inside the res and discovering that someone out of the cornfield just inside the res had timed him coming on the res from the phone call and pumped a deer slug into his car, sums up what some indigenous people think of police. This is despite some of us being pretty damn accommodating and pretty helpful when one of their kids stole a car and lit it up on a res(a fairly often occurrence) or they had shit that they just couldn't suppress inside the indigenous society they live.

I drove A TON of drunken males and females still needing to walk the better part of 15km back to the edge of their res for no hassle, no check on age, just hands-free in the back like a drunken indigenous cab company. I couldn't count the number of times a sexual act was offered for a ride home despite me telling her I wasn't going to arrest her and was taking her to the border for free. For most of us, it's nothing because we put in 12 hours. Waiting for someone to go off a road, a domestic, a suicide, a horrible MVC(Multi-Vehicle Collision...there's no such thing as an accident), monitoring speed or driving someone back home is just putting in time. Some of the guys from reservations are actually quite funny while lit up...usually the same guys.

There is A LOT that happens though on reservations that should have people in jail that just gets separated and someone beat to crap "just hangs out at her sisters for a couple of days until things 'cool down'." Someone lit up and drives his truck into a fence is checked to see if he's okay, if the truck still runs, one res cop drives it while the other res cop drives whoever did it home and gets them in bed. Outside, you say you're "The Chief", I don't know you and I would assume someone, unfortunately, named you Chief Bombay, I don't assume you're Chief Daniel Bombay of a res and expect res treatment on a public road after you just wrapped your truck around and snapped off a hydro pole. Forehead split from side to side so you can't even see from the blood in your eyes but I can see your skull and you're screaming at me wondering why I need to cuff your aggressive and combative ass into the back of an ambulance? That type of mentality and behaviour and special treatment just doesn't work out in public and they forget shit changes when they cross the line from reservation to public.
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I tried to read your reply but I stopped because I feel you need to watch the video and I also don't understand your comment about the res cops will treat Aboriginals on the res differently then the cops off the res. I'm not aware of any place that has "res cops".. All reservations I know are policed by the RCMP. If your referring to reservation security, thats another thing, but I don't think you are.
 
LePsyber said:
I chance to reply to this. I didn't see the video or how the Chief was handled.

I can speak from experience that there is a way of doing things on a reservation. I assume the Chief would have been from one (but I haven't looked...too tired and in bed). They have a way on the reservation and sometimes it becomes a mindset. Especially if someone from there doesn't leave a lot. It's when some leave their reservations that they fail to remember sometimes that they in many ways are walking into a very different world. You drive weird/drunk on a res and the res cops will pull you over, help get your truck(and you) home, give you a little tongue wagging about safety and move on. You drive weird/drunk on a public road, threaten and try to outmuscle a cop verbally and you're going to jail. No ifs, no ands, no buts, no special privileges because you're not on a res and no special privileges because you're the Chief. Out on public roads, you are just a person like everyone else so you just go to jail. It's at that point, where things go badly. Chiefs enjoy a lot of respect and in their society have earned that respect in the eyes of the people on the res. It doesn't work that way on public roads though. I've seen outrage at being treated with perfect respect and care just by having to put my hands on someone. (they don't like that either) Cuffs are like an injustice because they have a "right to be free."

Very difficult situation. It's why where I'm from that when someone goes too far with tuning his wife on the reservation and they needed us(we would only be called if she needed hospital), we went on to the reservation with res cops with us. To do otherwise could be dangerous to our health despite shit hitting the fan (a murder or susp. death).

A friend/coworker who thought a rock had jumped up inside the back wheel well of his car before getting to his destination inside the res and discovering that someone out of the cornfield just inside the res had timed him coming on the res from the phone call and pumped a deer slug into his car, sums up what some indigenous people think of police. This is despite some of us being pretty damn accommodating and pretty helpful when one of their kids stole a car and lit it up on a res(a fairly often occurrence) or they had shit that they just couldn't suppress inside the indigenous society they live.

I drove A TON of drunken males and females still needing to walk the better part of 15km back to the edge of their res for no hassle, no check on age, just hands-free in the back like a drunken indigenous cab company. I couldn't count the number of times a sexual act was offered for a ride home despite me telling her I wasn't going to arrest her and was taking her to the border for free. For most of us, it's nothing because we put in 12 hours. Waiting for someone to go off a road, a domestic, a suicide, a horrible MVC(Multi-Vehicle Collision...there's no such thing as an accident), monitoring speed or driving someone back home is just putting in time. Some of the guys from reservations are actually quite funny while lit up...usually the same guys.

There is A LOT that happens though on reservations that should have people in jail that just gets separated and someone beat to crap "just hangs out at her sisters for a couple of days until things 'cool down'." Someone lit up and drives his truck into a fence is checked to see if he's okay, if the truck still runs, one res cop drives it while the other res cop drives whoever did it home and gets them in bed. Outside, you say you're "The Chief", I don't know you and I would assume someone, unfortunately, named you Chief Bombay, I don't assume you're Chief Daniel Bombay of a res and expect res treatment on a public road after you just wrapped your truck around and snapped off a hydro pole. Forehead split from side to side so you can't even see from the blood in your eyes but I can see your skull and you're screaming at me wondering why I need to cuff your aggressive and combative ass into the back of an ambulance? That type of mentality and behaviour and special treatment just doesn't work out in public and they forget shit changes when they cross the line from reservation to public.
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Sorry, I decided to read your entire post. I'm in a pissy mood and has nothing to do with you or this thread lol..

a) I really think you need to watch the full video of the incident.

b) I get where your coming from. In my job I deal with a large variety of people and families and the highest percentage is first nations, metis... I get what your saying how they are treated differently. I too am more acommadating to these people.. I work with youth and I am more accomadating to FNMI youth because I want to see life work out for them I guess. And I also look at it in a way of what it actually is for face value.. I can't really explain well without listing my job and I'd rather not do that though.. BUt i get your point... But are we both wrong and causing more harm for how we handle these situations.

c) I've never heard of res cops lol.. I've heard of rent a cop on res thoughj.
 
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I tried to read your reply but I stopped because I feel you need to watch the video and I also don't understand your comment about the res cops will treat Aboriginals on the res differently then the cops off the res. I'm not aware of any place that has "res cops".. All reservations I know are policed by the RCMP. If your referring to reservation security, thats another thing, but I don't think you are.
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Not in Ontario, they're not. They have their own police, staffed by reservation members with special training/uniforms and so on. Small one or two cell stations for when someone gets really bad and they need them to sober up.

First Nations Police (Ontario) - Wikipedia

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For some of the failures (in my eyes after seeing someone with 40 stitches on their face from a knife fight where we were never called and they didn't go to a hospital), the reservation police here are WAY better than RCMP for dealing with MOST interactions regarding some sort of policing. RCMP have no business just going on a fucking reservation, I'll tell you that one for free. For how the reservation police deal with things here, they keep a ton of people out of jails and despite some of the crimes that are buffered away from being policed by them, it's better than the RCMP (or any other police agency) coming down on them.

Reservations are nations. A police officer not invited on to a reservation is viewed as invading their nation. I can see why the RCMP is despised. I've seen some of the shit they've done and wanted to vomit.
 
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LePsyber said:
Not in Ontario, they're not. They have their own police, staffed by reservation members with special training/uniforms and so on. Small one or two cell stations for when someone gets really bad and they need them to sober up.

First Nations Police (Ontario) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

For some of the failures (in my eyes after seeing someone with 40 stitches on their face from a knife fight where we were never called and they didn't go to a hospital), the reservation police here are WAY better than RCMP for dealing with MOST interactions regarding some sort of policing. RCMP have no business going on a fucking reservation, I'll tell you that one for free. For how the reservation police deal with things here, they keep a ton of people out of jails and despite some of the crimes that are buffered away from being policed by them, it's better than the RCMP (or us) coming down on them.

Reservations are nations. A police officer not invited on to a reservation is viewed as invading their nation. I can see why the RCMP is despised. I've seen some of the shit they've done and wanted to vomit.
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I grew up in ontario and I don't ever rememeber res cops... Did they always have them?

The guy in this incident was from an alberta reservation and I am near 100% certain we have no special res cops.. just RCMP.. I live between 3 reservartions (all within 20 min drive) and all are covered only by RCMP.

I honestly don't think the resevstions here have the same bad relationships with the RCMP here though. It just doesn't appear as you are describing. I'm pretty in touch with the communities and I just don't see it as bad as your area.

Growiing up in ontario I do recall the crazyiness of the reservations blocking roads with guns etc..
 
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