Opinion on my HGH strategy

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scoblu

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Hey folks, this is my first post in this nice forum that I've been following as a reader for years now :D.

TLDR: I'm fat and my body is weak for Test. I don't want to go back to Test before I have at least 15% bf. I decided stopping the Test after 4 months and went in on Tirzepatide and Tesamorelin. Now I'm thinking with myself that Tesamorelin might be wasting my money and time and I should go the HGH route. 1-2uis a day to speed up this fat.

I train 5 days a week. Not as hard as I was training while on Test. I'm trying to keep a calorie deficit under 1800 and prioritizing protein (range between 160-200g a day).
Been doing fasted cardios most of the days. Lifts at night. Feel I'm heading the right way now but really wanted to speed up the process with the HGH.

Anyone has similar experiences or disagree about my strategy. Thanks in advance!

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I'm a 5"10, 210lb, 37yo man. Pretty overweight and lots of midsection and thigh fat.

I have some issues on my right shoulder , rotator cuff tear + some arthritis, I guess from when I trained jiu jitsu like a degen in my.
Around 8 years ago I had my first experience with steroids. Used to take 200mg/week Test + some orals like anavar and winstrol. I got a lean and buffed look.
That was back when I lived in my home country. There you find an endocrinologist and buy everything pharma grade, no need to go UGL at all.
Covid came everything went away, my sanity too. hah

Fastforward to 2025 and in Canada, I had a surgery to give me some relief on the shoulder February this year ( a joint decompression shoulder ). I felt the symptoms of low T a couple months after the surgery and looked for a TRT clinic. Did the bloodwork, they called me back saying that I don't qualify because my T was in normal ranges.

I didn't take that "no" well so I went the UGL route. Got me some Test Enanthate and started 200mg/week in June. Turned out I started aromatizing a lot. My estradiol came at around 290 in one of the blood works. So I reduced the dose to a point where I was pinning 87.5mg/week (eod pins subq of 20mg). Still my estradiol wouldn't go down and to add I started seeing my blood pressure on levels I dislike (138/88 was one of the reading s I remember). My hematocrit at some point was also at 0.56, so I donated some blood. It was 4 months on this rollercoaster (tried AI too - felt like crap). Wife hated my mood swings and irritability.

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Yep balancing estrogen is a pain in the ass.

You can try DIM 1 pill every day, on 200 mg of test it seems to do the trick for me.
Or if you are using arimedex I take 1/2 mg once a week.

FOund that worked as well without as many ups and downs.

DIM is working really well for me though, you can buy it off Amazon.

Personally I would get back on the test, even if you reduce the dose to 125 or 150 mg. At that dose I don't get any hemocrit issues or estrogen issues, and if I feel the estrogen creeping up, like I get emotional watching something on tv that wouldn't have me emotional, I take 1/2 mg of adex when needed and that seems to work. SO maybe once a month on 125mg of test a week.

It takes a bit to get it all figured out, and you need to control yourself while on the gear so others around you don't pay for your ups and down, but it is something you will get better at over time. Don't give up, lol.
 
I didn't try the DIM.
Oh another issue I had, I was super high on estrogen, took some arimidex, got a crazy acne on my back and forehead. That was the last drop for me lol , at that point even on low test 85mg/week , low arimidex (0.25mg e2d) I had to start dealing with my dht spiking.

I don't think I'm coming back to Test before getting leaner (15% bf at least). That's why I'm thinking about the HGH route.
 
There's a bit of a paradox here that I think is easily relatable. Test now will definitely help you lose some fat while maintaining your muscle, however before you lose that fat, you're going to continue to aromatize quite a bit which makes the test usage a pain in the ass. Gh will help a bit with good timing (before bed, and perhaps do some fasted cardio in the morning), but it also performs better in the presence of testosterone, so yes, waiting on the testosterone may seem like a good move, but I would be more inclined, as @Sorbate pointed out, to find a way to manage the estrogen on low test and ride it out. If your plan is trt after, or forever, then I don't see the downsides of working out the kinks now.

To that end, the acne and sides are often a sign of fluctuating hormones, and when you're trying different things, you're going to suffer for a few weeks as you settle each time. I'd also agree that a low dose of test, kept steady and perhaps ED would level you out if you give it a bit more time. Try 100 or something for like 6 weeks and see where you are at. Stay away from dairy for now perhaps and watch the cleanliness protocols when acne is making an appearance, you can likely manage it quite well for a few weeks until it settles. I went from 500 test to 175 (and I'm very lean) : acne. I went recently from 175 to 100: acne. Every damn time. Soon I'll go to 800 test....and there will be acne for a couple of weeks and then like all the rest of the dosages, it will level out.

My point here is pick a low dose, work hard on getting lean and then you will be through the worst of it. Once you get down to 12% or so and are able to keep it there, the aromatization issues will abate quite a bit as will the acne etc.

When I started I was quite fat and at 300 test at first, my estrogen was at 600 :ROFLMAO: That was fun. I've not had any issues since getting to my current level of BF%, and I think you may find the same. But yes, it's going to be a nuisance to navigate for a bit, but also remember that Gh is a very long term additive and you may see better results if you just ride out the test-related annoyances for a bit.
 
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I’d just go on the testosterone and manage the estrogen issues with an ai, I’d rather have the testosterone then the GH in your case personally. I don’t really think GH does all that much for fat loss and 2iu you won’t really see much id just save the GH till I was trying to grow, personally.
Even 100mg of testosterone should put you in a decently high normal range depending of course how you respond to it. I’d be using reta for the fat loss purposes. Find the calorie amount that makes you hold weight steady with very little fluctuations over a week or so, go 500 calories less, high high protein, carbs around training, 100-200 mg of test per week and some Reta if you train hard enough and don’t cheat at all I can’t imagine you not seeing drastic changes if you do that for 4 months give or take. That’s just what I would do if I was fat, I’m no expert or anything
 
I love the effects of high T. I didn't even give enough time on the EOD subq doses to see if my estrogen would land in an ok range. Did it for like 3 weeks. Didn't check on blood work. Pressure from the wife to stop was so strong that at that point I just conceded (probably an emotional decision driven a bit by my high estrogen lol). I also started to get too paranoid with the high blood pressure.
Now that I'm off Test for 2 weeks my BP is in children's range again.

How's your BP now that you're lean @Slartibartfast ?

I'm gonna give some extra thought on this whole strategy. The first week after I stopped I dropped from 99kg to 96kg. Now I'm at 94kg using only Tirz and Tesamorelin. But I gotta say lifting SUCKS now without Test.
 
Quap555 said:
I’d just go on the testosterone and manage the estrogen issues with an ai, I’d rather have the testosterone then the GH in your case personally. I don’t really think GH does all that much for fat loss and 2iu you won’t really see much id just save the GH till I was trying to grow, personally.
Even 100mg of testosterone should put you in a decently high normal range depending of course how you respond to it. I’d be using reta for the fat loss purposes. Find the calorie amount that makes you hold weight steady with very little fluctuations over a week or so, go 500 calories less, high high protein, carbs around training, 100-200 mg of test per week and some Reta if you train hard enough and don’t cheat at all I can’t imagine you not seeing drastic changes if you do that for 4 months give or take. That’s just what I would do if I was fat, I’m no expert or anything
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Yeah I'm on Tirz. I've read that Reta is less efficient for those who suffer from food noise and that's kinda the story of my life.
I have 2x Reta vials here tho, thought about stacking them at some point but I think I'll just save for when Tirz is not efficient anymore.

Also sharing here my latest bloodwork. Jul25 after I completed almost two months of 200mg E7D. I think when I did the bloodwork was exactly the week after I started feeling the super high estrogen stuff. Sleep was shit, was super emotional, argued with the wife for everything lol, extremely impatient and nipples itching.

From Jul to beginning of Sep I started pinning 50mg every 3.5 days. And in September, right after the bloodwork, I pinned EOD subq (around 85mg/week).
I waited around 3 weeks, donated blood, didn't see any improvements in both my blood pressure and my high estrogen symptoms and quit.

Sorry, those details were missing from my story. I did alot of changes in the dosage and frequency during the past 4 months.
Maybe I didn't give enough times for the lowest dosage settle.


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scoblu said:
How's your BP now that you're lean @Slartibartfast ?
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Mine is usually pretty forgiving and low for the most part, so I wouldn't judge my own numbers as terribly relevant for others. It's currently in the 115 - 125 /60's range, which is actually a bit high. When I'm dialed in with good estrogen #'s, like ~100, then it's often in the 100 - 110 /60's, even on eq and things that raise my hematocrit. Cardio seems to do more for me BP wise when it's an issue.
 
While I agree with others , sometimes it might be best to just try and focus on one thing at a time.
Your naturally in a good spot , test wise.
Your goal currently is to diet and lose body fat so focus on that. Why add the stress of trying ride the roller coaster of hormone fluctuations. You can jump on test later.


Adding GH would help but keep in mind it's long game. It is synergistic with the tirz as well.
Once you get your body fat off and you have a good handle on your diet then you can reverse and add in the trt ( or trt + )
 
scoblu said:
I didn't try the DIM.
Oh another issue I had, I was super high on estrogen, took some arimidex, got a crazy acne on my back and forehead. That was the last drop for me lol , at that point even on low test 85mg/week , low arimidex (0.25mg e2d) I had to start dealing with my dht spiking.

I don't think I'm coming back to Test before getting leaner (15% bf at least). That's why I'm thinking about the HGH route.
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That happens at the start. You will break out, it goes away over time and your body gets used to it.

I can run a gram of test now and maybe get the odd pimple.
 
Slartibartfast said:
There's a bit of a paradox here that I think is easily relatable. Test now will definitely help you lose some fat while maintaining your muscle, however before you lose that fat, you're going to continue to aromatize quite a bit which makes the test usage a pain in the ass. Gh will help a bit with good timing (before bed, and perhaps do some fasted cardio in the morning), but it also performs better in the presence of testosterone, so yes, waiting on the testosterone may seem like a good move, but I would be more inclined, as @Sorbate pointed out, to find a way to manage the estrogen on low test and ride it out. If your plan is trt after, or forever, then I don't see the downsides of working out the kinks now.

To that end, the acne and sides are often a sign of fluctuating hormones, and when you're trying different things, you're going to suffer for a few weeks as you settle each time. I'd also agree that a low dose of test, kept steady and perhaps ED would level you out if you give it a bit more time. Try 100 or something for like 6 weeks and see where you are at. Stay away from dairy for now perhaps and watch the cleanliness protocols when acne is making an appearance, you can likely manage it quite well for a few weeks until it settles. I went from 500 test to 175 (and I'm very lean) : acne. I went recently from 175 to 100: acne. Every damn time. Soon I'll go to 800 test....and there will be acne for a couple of weeks and then like all the rest of the dosages, it will level out.

My point here is pick a low dose, work hard on getting lean and then you will be through the worst of it. Once you get down to 12% or so and are able to keep it there, the aromatization issues will abate quite a bit as will the acne etc.

When I started I was quite fat and at 300 test at first, my estrogen was at 600 :ROFLMAO: That was fun. I've not had any issues since getting to my current level of BF%, and I think you may find the same. But yes, it's going to be a nuisance to navigate for a bit, but also remember that Gh is a very long term additive and you may see better results if you just ride out the test-related annoyances for a bit.
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When younger getting pimples was normal. Now I didn’t normally get the under skin ones, and was mainly blackheads, few large ones on my back.
So I never get worried if I get a few pimples. Just don’t care. Now if my face or back was covered that would be different but the 8 or so spread out, I just ignored.
 
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