Insulin and High Testosterone

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Just a little follow up on my testosterone usage versus my insulin usage/need.

On my TRT dosage until 250mg test per week i don't see any real impact on my insulin use.
Basal 18iu / Bolus 1iu for 10g carb.

When i hit the 500mg test per week, i need to up my basal (slow acting) insulin of 2iu (20iu total) and will use 1iu fast acting to cover 8g carb

Now i'm hitting the 750mg per week and i need to up my basal to 23iu and i'm using 1iu for 5g carb approx.

I'm now curious about people seeing diminuish result when using over the 1.2-1.5g week of test.
Could it be link to the incapacity of producing enough insulin since higher level could lead to lower insulin sensivity.

This would lead me to ask if someone here doing over 750mg test a week would like to do some fasting blood sugar test and tell me how they look like.

One thing i can tell is that i'm now pushing high amount of slin all day long and i get real good growth compare of when i was trying to keep my slin use ''reasonable'' when upping my test.

Also, when i'm using these high amount of slin, i get the numb hand feeling uppon wake up and sometime through the day, maybe a relation with gh secretion.

High test usage could lower insulin sensivity (by lowering igf creating insulin resistance) but without the body producing enough slin, growth is reduce. So that's possibly why really high test + gh + slin are a mass building combo.
Maybe gh isn't the only big deal when going high test but mostly slin, Or at least and affordable way to get better result on higher test level

Oh and it's only free live thinking, no study or research done yet about this, only speculation i may be totaly wrong about this.
 
Too bad I’m not running high test, because I bought a blood glucose meter just fir the hell of it.
But on 250 test and 500primo, it’s exactly the same as 250 test and 100 mast, lol.

I’m going to start hitting dbol here soon, it makes me lethargic and grow quickly, so I’ll test then.
But I think you are on to something.

I have a question, now for a bodybuilder that is not insulin dependant, on higher doses of gear, maybe running something long like Lantus, or whatever the other 24 hour one is called, at a low dose would help the bodies natural ability to keep up with insulin needs. Shit I bet the pros do something like that, but it is not commonly talked about.
 
bebeav said:
Just a little follow up on my testosterone usage versus my insulin usage/need.

On my TRT dosage until 250mg test per week i don't see any real impact on my insulin use.
Basal 18iu / Bolus 1iu for 10g carb.

When i hit the 500mg test per week, i need to up my basal (slow acting) insulin of 2iu (20iu total) and will use 1iu fast acting to cover 8g carb

Now i'm hitting the 750mg per week and i need to up my basal to 23iu and i'm using 1iu for 5g carb approx.

I'm now curious about people seeing diminuish result when using over the 1.2-1.5g week of test.
Could it be link to the incapacity of producing enough insulin since higher level could lead to lower insulin sensivity.

This would lead me to ask if someone here doing over 750mg test a week would like to do some fasting blood sugar test and tell me how they look like.

One thing i can tell is that i'm now pushing high amount of slin all day long and i get real good growth compare of when i was trying to keep my slin use ''reasonable'' when upping my test.

Also, when i'm using these high amount of slin, i get the numb hand feeling uppon wake up and sometime through the day, maybe a relation with gh secretion.

High test usage could lower insulin sensivity (by lowering igf creating insulin resistance) but without the body producing enough slin, growth is reduce. So that's possibly why really high test + gh + slin are a mass building combo.
Maybe gh isn't the only big deal when going high test but mostly slin, Or at least and affordable way to get better result on higher test level

Oh and it's only free live thinking, no study or research done yet about this, only speculation i may be totaly wrong about this.
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If you have a time protocol for me to follow, like you want me to test at certian times, I can do it. Right now before meals and I eat every 2 hours I’m 5 ish.
 
Sorbate said:
Too bad I’m not running high test, because I bought a blood glucose meter just fir the hell of it.
But on 250 test and 500primo, it’s exactly the same as 250 test and 100 mast, lol.

I’m going to start hitting dbol here soon, it makes me lethargic and grow quickly, so I’ll test then.
But I think you are on to something.

I have a question, now for a bodybuilder that is not insulin dependant, on higher doses of gear, maybe running something long like Lantus, or whatever the other 24 hour one is called, at a low dose would help the bodies natural ability to keep up with insulin needs. Shit I bet the pros do something like that, but it is not commonly talked about.
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I would assume that something like lantus would be the best/safest way to use in conjuction of high test dosage. We would need someone to do some kind of experimention to better know. Even if it's low dosage.

Maybe someone here could tell us experience if they already used it in this manner instead of only using fast acting all over the day or pre workout only.

I really think insulin use, even if legal, is something people don't talk too much because of the real time risk, like dnp, but i really think it could open some door or more breaking plateau during long blast.


Sorbate said:
If you have a time protocol for me to follow, like you want me to test at certian times, I can do it. Right now before meals and I eat every 2 hours I’m 5 ish.
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I'll dig for some information about my recent thinking and i'll keep you update on what we could try.

One good thing is that we got your baseline as reference so it will bring better result to compare.

Do you plan on running higher test in a near futur?
 
''IGF + Insulin

If you plan on doing IGF1 with Insulin, listen closely IGF1 is not that expensive, sure you can get away with using less by including insulin in the stack, but IGF1 and Insulin together have a pro-insulin effect on your blood sugar balance. It can enhance the chances of a hypoglycemic episode ten fold. I would recommend against it for any one not ABSOLUTLY comfortable with insulin or IGF1.

Here is how insulin and IGF1 work together. Igfbp3 is the binding protein, which allows IGF1 to remain active in the system for a long enough period of time to really work its magic. IGF1 by nature has a half-life of less than 10 minutes by its self. The molecule was so small it would escape the blood stream very rapidly. This was the reason IGF1 was so "underground". It took very frequent injections at high dosages to achieve even minimal results. Aside from this reconstituting the compound required a degree in biochemistry. This short acting version was the only IGF1 known until recently IGF1 would have been administered in 100 mcg dosages 4-6 times a day. That is a hell of a lot of IGF1. That explains a lot of the distended bellies. Now with R3 long chain IGF1 and the Binding protein IGFBP3 IGF1 will last up to 6 hours in the system. By binding IGF to the IGFBP3 you make the molecule larger and it gets trapped in the blood stream until the protein is broken down and the IGF molecule escapes. You can further its life by combining Insulin with it, although I here its very risky. Insulin prevents the breakdown of IGFBP3 and leaves the IGF1 molecule roaming free in the blood stream for longer periods of time up to 12 hours as insulin levels return to normal IGFBP3 will begin to break down and the IGF1 will escape from its bound protein IGFBP3 again having a half life of less than 10 minutes. ''

So if i read between the line, taking high slin amount during a long period of time (x weeks) would keep igf1 level in the high zone circulating in the blood stream.

Now :

IGF-1's Side effects

Every thing has a down side. To bake a cake ya gotta brake an egg. IGF1 is no exception. The drug used in larger quantity around the 100mcg+ range will cause headaches, occasional nausea. (so high slin usage would keep igf1 higher)

Stiffness

An almost arthritic feeling is commonly associated with high levels of HGH, well IGF1 has the exact same property. IGF1 will cause your hands, fingers and knuckles to ache this is one way you can be sure you got real IGF1.

Increased Pump Pumps are reported to be so severe that workouts are often cut short due to lack of ability to the muscle through the full range of motion...ouch

Distend stomach/belly also


All these effect are noticed when i'm using high slin dosage over my regular use.
 
When the times comes to run slin I'll be on 1500mg test week but it's only going to be 2iu starting built up to 5iu humalog or norvorapid max dosage so I don't know if that will help you but I can post up meter readings for you, but it won't be till Oct

But with that my plan is to also run igf-1 and follistatin so I don't know if thats will skew your results or reading results
 
Damon said:
When the times comes to run slin I'll be on 1500mg test week but it's only going to be 2iu starting built up to 5iu humalog or norvorapid max dosage so I don't know if that will help you but I can post up meter readings for you, but it won't be till Oct

But with that my plan is to also run igf-1 and follistatin so I don't know if thats will skew your results or reading results
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That would be a perfect start to get some baseline info.

You mill most like start using your igf-1 and folistatin when you'll hit your peak level of test. (4-6week mark)?

Could you get us around 4-5 fasted morning blood sugar as a baseline so we could make a comparison when you'll be hitting high test in october?

Also when you'll start pinning, getting at least one fasted blood sugar read every week during your test level rise would also be great if you can/want.
 
My plan is to hit it around week 10-12 and just run gear till then but I don't want any Tren or orals running through my system when I start

I can try for fasted reading but I can't guarantee that first time I'll be running slin and igf and i will probly over macro intake I'll be to damn nervous not to lol
 
Damon said:
My plan is to hit it around week 10-12 and just run gear till then but I don't want any Tren or orals running through my system when I start

I can try for fasted reading but I can't guarantee that first time I'll be running slin and igf and i will probly over macro intake I'll be to damn nervous not to lol
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No problem with over macro intake, just take your blood sugar test right after you wake up and then eat what ever you need/want
 
Ok little update, i now found that my insulin resistance was created by my oral intake, at least mostly.

I'm 650mg of test per week now and i'm back to my normal 10g carb / 1ui slin, only thing that still impacted by test is my basal (long acting slin) i need to keep it around 24ui (18ui on trt dose).

I was using tbol, but ended to be something else i think. Will need to do another tbol run someday. I blew like i never did in thos week hehhe, not a bad thing but wasn't expect. I was up 36pds in approx 60 days. I was holding water and many other estro side were there. The back pain made me stop before the end even if only 6 pills remain in the bottle.

Next oral will be anadrol, will see how it impact insulin resistance.
 
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