ECA Stack? UPDATE

Very weird but now that I'm losing a lot of body fat my nipples are getting sensitive. Not sore or pain just sensitive. Could this just be from losing fat?
 
I am pretty sure Ephederine HCL isn't the original ephderine.. back when I used ECA a lot, I recall manufactures had to change the chemical structure of the orginal to make it harder to turn into meth.. That's also when it went from being able to buy 25mg tabs to only 8mg tabs.

I can't recall exactly the differene between the original stuff (when it first hit the shelves in supplement stores in the mid 90's) and the 8mg stuff you get today. Either way, when they made those changes, there was a noticeable difference.

I can't recall, but there was ephedera, ephederine, ephederine HCL and ephederine sulfate.. maybe somoene else can explain the difference.
 
I am pretty sure Ephederine HCL isn't the original ephderine.. back when I used ECA a lot, I recall manufactures had to change the chemical structure of the orginal to make it harder to turn into meth.. That's also when it went from being able to buy 25mg tabs to only 8mg tabs.

I can't recall exactly the differene between the original stuff (when it first hit the shelves in supplement stores in the mid 90's) and the 8mg stuff you get today. Either way, when they made those changes, there was a noticeable difference.

I can't recall, but there was ephedera, ephederine, ephederine HCL and ephederine sulfate.. maybe somoene else can explain the difference.

Yeah kind of a fuzzy memory for me too. @Sorbate was a heavy user, I wonder if he remembers?
 
Yeah kind of a fuzzy memory for me too. @Sorbate was a heavy user, I wonder if he remembers?
I was beyond a heavy user, rotted my teeth at the gum line with that shit. But fuck I could work 20 hour days for months on end if I ate enough.

The original pils where Hcl. 25 mg and pure, nothing added except the binders.
I’m glad they changed them, I was super addicted. The new stuff is weak and has been modified.
I’d doesn’t work the same for fatloss.
The original pills felt pure. I’d take 50-75 mg at once after I ate and fuck you hair would crawl, you would feel an energy in your chest, then it was...oh yeah I feel good.
I believe I could read the minds of my customers, lol.

The new stuff sucks, it feels dirty (told just like a real abuser, lol). I dint use it. Energy drinks or preworkout is better, no crash after you don’t really get anything.

Ephedra is the natural version, crap. Hcl was the best when it was pure.
Speed in a pill. My meth head stepson said 200 mg was close to smoking speed, he tried to snort it once but it didn’t work any better.
 
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I was beyond a heavy user, rotted my teeth at the gum line with that shit. But fuck I could work 20 hour days for months on end if I ate enough.

The original pils where Hcl. 25 mg and pure, nothing added except the binders.
I’m glad they changed them, I was super addicted. The new stuff is weak and has been modified.
I’d doesn’t work the same for fatloss.
The original pills felt pure. I’d take 50-75 mg at once after I ate and fuck you hair would crawl, you would feel an energy in your chest, then it was...oh yeah I feel good.
I believe I could read the minds of my customers, lol.

The new stuff sucks, it feels dirty (told just like a real abuser, lol). I dint use it. Energy drinks or preworkout is better, no crash after you don’t really get anything.

Ephedra is the natural version, crap. Hcl was the best when it was pure.
Speed in a pill. My meth head stepson said 200 mg was close to smoking speed, he tried to snort it once but it didn’t work any better.


I agree... I knew something changed in the chemistry the second they went from 25mg to 8mg pills.. Was never the same.

I recall it was included in many fat burnes in the mid 90's as well. "Shredded" that the fat burner I tried that was stuffed with it. I didn't really know what was in it, but I took it for a month and I remmeber thinking "holy fuck.. I never need to diet again.. I just need to take this stuff a few months a year". I was never able to work up to the dose that the bottle recommended lol... It was insane.

I also believe that Ulitmate Orange original product was simply a good dose of the real ephederine.

When I was in high school, I had a bottle of real ephderine. Before a big football game a bunch of us took it lol.. You could run like the wind forever on it lol
 
I agree... I knew something changed in the chemistry the second they went from 25mg to 8mg pills.. Was never the same.

I recall it was included in many fat burnes in the mid 90's as well. "Shredded" that the fat burner I tried that was stuffed with it. I didn't really know what was in it, but I took it for a month and I remmeber thinking "holy fuck.. I never need to diet again.. I just need to take this stuff a few months a year". I was never able to work up to the dose that the bottle recommended lol... It was insane.

I also believe that Ulitmate Orange original product was simply a good dose of the real ephederine.

When I was in high school, I had a bottle of real ephderine. Before a big football game a bunch of us took it lol.. You could run like the wind forever on it lol

I got up to 125 mg if I was partying within a 4 hour period. I had a bad panic attack and thought I was going to have a heart attack, that was when I stopped. Damn that sucked, I then went on to using Advil cold and sinus almost daily for the pseudo ephedrine. But my dose backed off a lot. Then after a year of that and being worried that the advil might fuck me up, I stopped. It took a while for my body to get back to normal. Even now i am very sensitive to stimulants. I wonder if I produced more receptors and that is why I am so sensitive.

But damn I remember when I first started, buddy brought them over to my house before the gym, he was looking for an edge. I wouldn’t do gear. damn all my lifts went up and I grew like a weed. But I ate like a hog to compensate, somewhere around 5000 cal a day at at 160 lb body weight.
 
I got up to 125 mg if I was partying within a 4 hour period. I had a bad panic attack and thought I was going to have a heart attack, that was when I stopped. Damn that sucked, I then went on to using Advil cold and sinus almost daily for the pseudo ephedrine. But my dose backed off a lot. Then after a year of that and being worried that the advil might fuck me up, I stopped. It took a while for my body to get back to normal. Even now i am very sensitive to stimulants. I wonder if I produced more receptors and that is why I am so sensitive.

But damn I remember when I first started, buddy brought them over to my house before the gym, he was looking for an edge. I wouldn’t do gear. damn all my lifts went up and I grew like a weed. But I ate like a hog to compensate, somewhere around 5000 cal a day at at 160 lb body weight.

Lol... 50mg's made me feel my heart beat in my brain.
 
I still have a couple bottles of the 8mg stuff laying around. I never touch it for lifting, but once in awhile I'll have a BIG chore day like cutting 5 truck loads of fire wood and I'll pop 16mg and work like a mf'r.
 
I still have a couple bottles of the 8mg stuff laying around. I never touch it for lifting, but once in awhile I'll have a BIG chore day like cutting 5 truck loads of fire wood and I'll pop 16mg and work like a mf'r.
Lol 16mg. That's crazy. You have no stimulant tolerance eh? I can't even feel ephedrine (using the 8mg standard tab) until I take 6 in one go (48mg) with 200mg caffeine. Usually take that with 1mg of nicotine too. That's my protocol for life. Hahaha. Do I have a problem?
 
Lol 16mg. That's crazy. You have no stimulant tolerance eh? I can't even feel ephedrine (using the 8mg standard tab) until I take 6 in one go (48mg) with 200mg caffeine. Usually take that with 1mg of nicotine too. That's my protocol for life. Hahaha. Do I have a problem?


I have stimulant tolerance. I drink a large coffee and can go to sleep on the couch right afterwards. But a tolerance to ephderine is different than a tolerance to caffine. I used to take 50mg ephderine and 200mg cafeine before lifting, but I cut out the ephderine years ago.. That was original ephederine as well.

So since I never use ephederine now, taking 16mg with a cup of coffee has a pretty good effect on me.
 
I have stimulant tolerance. I drink a large coffee and can go to sleep on the couch right afterwards. But a tolerance to ephderine is different than a tolerance to caffine. I used to take 50mg ephderine and 200mg cafeine before lifting, but I cut out the ephderine years ago.. That was original ephederine as well.

So since I never use ephederine now, taking 16mg with a cup of coffee has a pretty good effect on me.

LOL yes, sorry. That is what I meant. I'm aware that one can be sensitive to some stimulants and completely tolerant to others. That's still crazy though. I took a year break from ephedrine and still have a huge tolerance to it.
 
Lol... 50mg's made me feel my heart beat in my brain.
I would eat about 2000 cal of mixed slow and quick carbs, then take 75 mg.
You felt like a god after 20 min, you could feel the wave of tingling flow over your body starting out at your chest.
And drink, damn you could drink on that stuff.

My mom tried one pill once, damn it was funny, she was bouncing around the shop, told me like 4 times not to tell my dad (yeah, if you have fun my dad gets upset, especially if it’s bad fun). My mom is normally pretty laid back (well kinda lazy) so it was entertaining to watch. She’s running around serving everyone, cleaning everything, bwahaaa.

I know it likely wasn’t the best on my heart, but damn at one time all of us at work would take it, then work like dogs, but enjoy it. Then 5 of us could do the same work as 8. Then we would get off work and get drunk together, lol.

I make more money now, but I really miss those days. Getting high in the cooler on sundays then serving all the hung over customers, and damn, a lot knew, my eyes look like piss holes in the snow, lol. You’d get the nod, lol.

That was when I first started at 24. We even had porn magazines in the bathroom. Had to get rid of them though, damn 16 year old student staff hung out in the bathroom too much, that was back in 1996 there was no streaming porn then,,lol.

Sry, just brought back memories.
 
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I would eat about 2000 cal of mixed slow and quick carbs, then take 75 mg.
You felt like a god after 20 min, you could feel the wave of tingling flow over your body starting out at your chest.
And drink, damn you could drink on that stuff.

My mom tried one pill once, damn it was funny, she was bouncing around the shop, told me like 4 times not to tell my dad (yeah, if you have fun my dad gets upset, especially if it’s bad fun). My mom is normally pretty laid back (well kinda lazy) so it was entertaining to watch. She’s running around serving everyone, cleaning everything, bwahaaa.

I know it likely wasn’t the best on my heart, but damn at one time all of us at work would take it, then work like dogs, but enjoy it. Then 5 of us could do the same work as 8. Then we would get off work and get drunk together, lol.

I make more money now, but I really miss those days. Getting high in the cooler on sundays then serving all the hung over customers, and damn, a lot knew, my eyes look like piss holes in the snow, lol. You’d get the nod, lol.

That was when I first started at 24. We even had porn magazines in the bathroom. Had to get rid of them though, damn 16 year old student staff hung out in the bathroom too much, that was back in 1996 there was no streaming porn then,,lol.

Sry, just brought back memories.


I used to take ephederine to study/write papers all night in university. I only did this a couple times when I had to because staying up all night on that stuff messed up my sleep
 
I have been doing the ECA Stack since I started this thread 2 weeks on and two weeks off. I am going to be taking a break for a bit.

I recently started taking Cardarine to help my cardio sessions and workouts. I do not really notice any side effects at 20mg per day. I do however feel it working as far as endurance. I also get a bit of pump from it as well.

I couple of posts back I complained about having sensitive nips. I feel it was high estrogen caused from my weight gain and from the assortment of medications from my injury. I am going to be getting blood work done in the coming week or so. I also will be getting a bottle of prescription Raloxifene to cycle and reverse the gyno.
 
Hey bud, it's super easy to get at all kinds of places and cheap like borscht.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something, Ephedrine Hydrochloride right?

Google - "buy ephedrine Canada"

Huh, just did this. I also thought it was impossible to get now. Nope, seems like it's both common and cheap. :D
 
Huh, just did this. I also thought it was impossible to get now. Nope, seems like it's both common and cheap. :D
Most supplement stores keep it on the shelf behind the counter just ask. Even Popeyes has it. They even give you a deal if you buy 10 or more. Or there’s online stores that when you buy in bulk it’s even cheaper
 
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