Dealing with Canadian Doctors

Nixter

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Pretty much what I ask for
Gh serums, igf, testosterone, estrogen
Kidney/ liver/CBC/ etc
He’s pretty cool
Very jealous. Mine is probably due to retire soon so hopefully I can find a cool one too. Don't suppose you're in vancouver? 😝
 

Rocky

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Very jealous. Mine is probably due to retire soon so hopefully I can find a cool one too. Don't suppose you're in vancouver? 😝
Keep trying new doctors, that’s my suggestion.
It’s always hit or miss with doctors but there’s going to be ones that truely care about your well being.

I’ve always asked my doc to refer me to a different specialist if we weren’t on the same page, it might take a while longer but it’s worth seeing a new doctor if yours isn’t working.

nope in Toronto
 

3ml

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GP’s are fucking useless here. I just had another bad experience with one today.
I’m at the point I’m going to pay to go to a clinic
Or just do things out of country

Fucking Canada robs us half our pay for the worst medical service on the fucking planet
 

libo

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Find a younger doc. Mine started as a walk in, and now is my go to family physician. Mid 30s and I tell him everything I put in my body he understands 100% of my performance enhancer use. He cannot ethically support it (like scripting trt or adex etc) but he supports monitoring all adverse effects and thus does routine blood work every 3 months and side scripts if needed like accutane and such. Just got to find the right one bro, good luck
 

Bagua

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GP’s are fucking useless here. I just had another bad experience with one today.
I’m at the point I’m going to pay to go to a clinic
Or just do things out of country

Fucking Canada robs us half our pay for the worst medical service on the fucking planet

It's all my fault. I have three GPs I can use, two Endos, three surgeons and a handful of Psychiatrists, which are by far the most important. ;)
 

granpa1959

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I have lucked out after years of strike outs. My current doctor is not totally pleased but understands that in my 60's, having survived some stuff.

No changing me.

Fortunately she is actually non-judgmental on it and is actually well informed.

We wasted a bit of time on doing BW a bit to frequently. Oldjiujitsu pointed that I was going to have crazy numbers constantly.
All good.
 

beaverherder

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I have lucked out after years of strike outs. My current doctor is not totally pleased but understands that in my 60's, having survived some stuff.

No changing me.

Fortunately she is actually non-judgmental on it and is actually well informed.

We wasted a bit of time on doing BW a bit to frequently. Oldjiujitsu pointed that I was going to have crazy numbers constantly.
All good.

In the same situation, current physician is rhe best I’ve ever had. Ex military guy, when I told him I self prescribe TRT and ocassionally use more for bodybuilding he told me he doesn’t agree with the higher dosages but that he’ll keep me safe and if my bloodwork shows that I’m healthy he won’t tell me not to do it. I respect him, and he shows me the same respect.

I’ve had some bad experiences. I started lifting after a few years of not training and I could not make any kind of progress; I was tired all the time, had a hard time recovering, low libido, all classic low t symptoms. Saw my GP about it, he initially refused to even test me! I had it out with him a bit and he relented. My test came back in the mid 100’s, very, very low.

I asked him about TRT and he told me that wouldn’t be necessary, lots of men have low T. I couldn’t fucking believe it. I asked for a referral to an Endo, he said no. I started getting mad at this point and asked him why he wouldn’t treat me with Test less than half the reference range,that hypogonadism is a legitimate health concern. He got shitty with me again, but agreed to treat me but you could tell he really didn’t want to.

His solution? 100mg of Test Cyp, dosed every other week. This fucking guy didn’t even know how the drugs he was prescribing worked. I never even filled it, I’ve been self prescribing ever since.
 

resilient1

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In the same situation, current physician is rhe best I’ve ever had. Ex military guy, when I told him I self prescribe TRT and ocassionally use more for bodybuilding he told me he doesn’t agree with the higher dosages but that he’ll keep me safe and if my bloodwork shows that I’m healthy he won’t tell me not to do it. I respect him, and he shows me the same respect.

I’ve had some bad experiences. I started lifting after a few years of not training and I could not make any kind of progress; I was tired all the time, had a hard time recovering, low libido, all classic low t symptoms. Saw my GP about it, he initially refused to even test me! I had it out with him a bit and he relented. My test came back in the mid 100’s, very, very low.

I asked him about TRT and he told me that wouldn’t be necessary, lots of men have low T. I couldn’t fucking believe it. I asked for a referral to an Endo, he said no. I started getting mad at this point and asked him why he wouldn’t treat me with Test less than half the reference range,that hypogonadism is a legitimate health concern. He got shitty with me again, but agreed to treat me but you could tell he really didn’t want to.

His solution? 100mg of Test Cyp, dosed every other week. This fucking guy didn’t even know how the drugs he was prescribing worked. I never even filled it, I’ve been self prescribing ever since.

That's brutal. My GP was really cool about it. Said I had to have two tests confirming that I was below or very near the threshold, and once I had those I had the referral. I had heard of an endo from a family friend, he provided a ref to that specific endo. The endo is pretty cool as well. I started self-medicating before I saw him. I had to, life doesn't stop b/c you feel like shit, but he had no issue, and is very supportive.
 

LePsyber

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Find a younger doc. Mine started as a walk in, and now is my go to family physician. Mid 30s and I tell him everything I put in my body he understands 100% of my performance enhancer use. He cannot ethically support it (like scripting trt or adex etc) but he supports monitoring all adverse effects and thus does routine blood work every 3 months and side scripts if needed like accutane and such. Just got to find the right one bro, good luck
Can't agree. New doctors are indoctrinated into a whole lot of beliefs of "guidelines" that aren't directions at all but are treated like they are. My own chronic pain problem as a perfect example. I have A LOT of injuries from a job that was high risk for injuries. I'm done working but the pain is still there. I'm being treated by the government's "guidelines", not 25 years of doctor's reports and notes on all of my injuries that prove I fucked myself up a whooole lot of times. A logical mind that isn't bent by recent training and recent events with various abuse of prescription medication would say I'm outside the lines...WAY outside of the lines.
Can I go around to find a doctor that is willing to treat me more reasonably? No, because not only are there not enough doctors but how can I tell that the next one won't be worse? That and at some point, it would start to look like I was doctor shopping which is what it would be except that I'd be shopping for one who will take better care of me, not one that's going to let me get away with something.
I even went through a program with a pain clinic at the hospital. One key problem...they work hand in hand with the doctor who sent you there. So really I went through for coping strategies (and all sorts of shit I already knew) but gained nothing because I didn't have an independent doctor work with me. I guess it keeps a couple of other people at the hospital employed. The WORST was looking at a 10 or 12 other people in the class, seeing them with like no pain in their eyes while I tried to lie on the table. get comfortable with actual pain.
 

resilient1

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Can't agree. New doctors are indoctrinated into a whole lot of beliefs of "guidelines" that aren't directions at all but are treated like they are. My own chronic pain problem as a perfect example. I have A LOT of injuries from a job that was high risk for injuries. I'm done working but the pain is still there. I'm being treated by the government's "guidelines", not 25 years of doctor's reports and notes on all of my injuries that prove I fucked myself up a whooole lot of times. A logical mind that isn't bent by recent training and recent events with various abuse of prescription medication would say I'm outside the lines...WAY outside of the lines.
Can I go around to find a doctor that is willing to treat me more reasonably? No, because not only are there not enough doctors but how can I tell that the next one won't be worse? That and at some point, it would start to look like I was doctor shopping which is what it would be except that I'd be shopping for one who will take better care of me, not one that's going to let me get away with something.
I even went through a program with a pain clinic at the hospital. One key problem...they work hand in hand with the doctor who sent you there. So really I went through for coping strategies (and all sorts of shit I already knew) but gained nothing because I didn't have an independent doctor work with me. I guess it keeps a couple of other people at the hospital employed. The WORST was looking at a 10 or 12 other people in the class, seeing them with like no pain in their eyes while I tried to lie on the table. get comfortable with actual pain.

I can relate. I was fortunate that my accident was a couple decades back when the prescription of pain meds had much less regulatory oversight. My doctor understood and treated my pain based on the severity of the issue, not a general 'guideline.' A couple years following a major surgery I was referred to a 'pain specialist' i.e. anesthesiologist. She was rigorous, understandably, considering the propensity for abuse, and all was good until the opiod crisis. Suddenly my pain wasn't as bad as I claimed, all in the interest of covering her ass and not having to justify higher dosages. The dosage was reasonably high, but I had developed a high tolerance previous to my surgery.

If possible, I would suggest requesting a consultation with a pain specialist (anesthesiologist). Anything less is likely a waste of your time. I don't know if this would sour your relationship with your prescribing doctor? I hope I don't have to go back down that road again.
 

Mfg Eng

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I asked him about TRT and he told me that wouldn’t be necessary, lots of men have low T. I couldn’t fucking believe it. I asked for a referral to an Endo, he said no. I started getting mad at this point and asked him why he wouldn’t treat me with Test less than half the reference range,that hypogonadism is a legitimate health concern. He got shitty with me again, but agreed to treat me but you could tell he really didn’t want to.

His solution? 100mg of Test Cyp, dosed every other week. This fucking guy didn’t even know how the drugs he was prescribing worked. I never even filled it, I’ve been self prescribing ever since.

It is your decision but he obviously is working with you, same way mine worked with me. I played the game his way- androgel for nearly 2yrs. I had to channel him into the decision by saying the white flakes are all over me, my girlfriend started breaking out all over after i started sleeping beside her naked for a month- androgel flakes, androgel absorbs through the skin, women can't take a lot of test. Decision is simple- injectable

Same dosage as you 100/wk but he made me come into his office for him to administer every 2wks for 6mths. Bloods have to be taken correct? Half life is calculable. I take the blood test 14 days after administering. He can see the dates he gave me the test, date of the blood. Ta da! 130 pops up. He gets bored of the constant visits like me so I let him know of someone at work that showed me how to do it myself. He says ok. I complain of feeling like shit. Come back to him saying I switched it up to 100mg per week. Sends me for bloods. All is well I'm in the mid 400's. I gained his trust or he is sick of dealing with it. Either way patience payed off. I get over a year worth of refills at a time and he forgot to put the dosage on the script so I never get questioned when refilling. Almost a blank slate.
 

beaverherder

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It is your decision but he obviously is working with you, same way mine worked with me. I played the game his way- androgel for nearly 2yrs. I had to channel him into the decision by saying the white flakes are all over me, my girlfriend started breaking out all over after i started sleeping beside her naked for a month- androgel flakes, androgel absorbs through the skin, women can't take a lot of test. Decision is simple- injectable

Same dosage as you 100/wk but he made me come into his office for him to administer every 2wks for 6mths. Bloods have to be taken correct? Half life is calculable. I take the blood test 14 days after administering. He can see the dates he gave me the test, date of the blood. Ta da! 130 pops up. He gets bored of the constant visits like me so I let him know of someone at work that showed me how to do it myself. He says ok. I complain of feeling like shit. Come back to him saying I switched it up to 100mg per week. Sends me for bloods. All is well I'm in the mid 400's. I gained his trust or he is sick of dealing with it. Either way patience payed off. I get over a year worth of refills at a time and he forgot to put the dosage on the script so I never get questioned when refilling. Almost a blank slate.
My former doc was going to prescribe me one 100 mg shot every other week, so 50mg a week, guy was an idiot.

My new doc doesn’t prescribe at all, but he does do bloodwork for me and he’s open minded about me self prescribing, my first post might be a little confusing lol

Glad it worked out for you though!
 

LePsyber

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I can relate. I was fortunate that my accident was a couple decades back when the prescription of pain meds had much less regulatory oversight. My doctor understood and treated my pain based on the severity of the issue, not a general 'guideline.' A couple years following a major surgery I was referred to a 'pain specialist' i.e. anesthesiologist. She was rigorous, understandably, considering the propensity for abuse, and all was good until the opiod crisis. Suddenly my pain wasn't as bad as I claimed, all in the interest of covering her ass and not having to justify higher dosages. The dosage was reasonably high, but I had developed a high tolerance previous to my surgery.

If possible, I would suggest requesting a consultation with a pain specialist (anesthesiologist). Anything less is likely a waste of your time. I don't know if this would sour your relationship with your prescribing doctor? I hope I don't have to go back down that road again.
Man, totally taking that advice.

See, that's why this place rocks. I can get solid advice from people in the same boat. I'm 6'3, 270 pounds of fairly decent amount of muscle despite my body screaming at me to stop. They don't have a frigging box on their sheets that fits me. Maybe someone who's 6'3 and obese/inactive but that's not me.

At the end of the day, staying active is supposed to be part of the long term strategy. Don't get obese, don't get so I'm stuck to a couch or a bed, etc etc etc. How TF am I supposed to do that when the pain ratchets up so high that I CAN'T stay active as I want. I want to be in shape and feeling good health-wise but doing that makes the pain worse. So I have a clash which says, "Don't do any exercise more than 20-30 minutes and lie down. 30 on, 30 off.

I keep looking but not only does my gym doesn't have any beds how TF do you do 30 on/30 off in a gym while I'm riding on a trainer (cycling is much much much nicer on my knees but I ride 150km not 30. Simple math takes the logic out of their science. I did find some pretty shady piles of hay at the side of the road while riding however getting a tick doesn't sound good. (a friend of my gf's got frigging Lymes Disease 2 summers ago and is juuust now starting to come out of it after stem cell and some other pretty aggressive treatment. We hike as much as possible but trust me, double and quadruple test for ticks after hiking/doing anything in the outdoors. Lymes disease is no joke.)

Anyways, enough bitchin, thanks for the tip. Let's see how this one goes.
 

Davis1891

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Well, my current doctor hates that I’m on trt. My doctor from a different province is the one who originally prescribed me hormone therapy and he was great.
My normal doctor here in Alberta, and I feel as though I should point this out, is a women and is very much against testosterone.
So there’s no way in hell that I’m telling her about my cycles. It’s an argument every 6 months just to get a script refill.
One day she’s gonna say fuck it, and then i guess I’ll just self medicate until a new doctor comes around.
It sucks, I just dread going there.


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resilient1

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Well, my current doctor hates that I’m on trt. My doctor from a different province is the one who originally prescribed me hormone therapy and he was great.
My normal doctor here in Alberta, and I feel as though I should point this out, is a women and is very much against testosterone.
So there’s no way in hell that I’m telling her about my cycles. It’s an argument every 6 months just to get a script refill.
One day she’s gonna say fuck it, and then i guess I’ll just self medicate until a new doctor comes around.
It sucks, I just dread going there.


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If she were to do that I would contact the governing body for physicians (Alberta College of Physicians and Surgeons) and file a complaint. A doctor cannot, on a whim, decide that you no longer need medication. If it was prescribed, it follows that it was done so based on specific criteria i.e. to treat a hormone deficiency, and she cannot rule against that. She would have to be able to prove that it was not needed, which she will not be able to do. If she gives you that much grief about it perhaps she would recommend you to a colleague?

Next time she gives you grief I would make sure to be recording the conversation and ask her to specify the issue. If she veers of course into any sort of rant or nonsense I would then ask to be referred to another physician. If she refuses, I would contact the governing body and file a complaint. There's assholes out there of all stripes. My pain specialist was like that. I went around her and obtained a back surgery when she refused to refer me, then I waited 6 months before I told her. She was pissed, but I had no use for her by then.
 

bigcanadian

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Well, my current doctor hates that I’m on trt. My doctor from a different province is the one who originally prescribed me hormone therapy and he was great.
My normal doctor here in Alberta, and I feel as though I should point this out, is a women and is very much against testosterone.
So there’s no way in hell that I’m telling her about my cycles. It’s an argument every 6 months just to get a script refill.
One day she’s gonna say fuck it, and then i guess I’ll just self medicate until a new doctor comes around.
It sucks, I just dread going there.


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But I bet she has no problem setting up a 16 yr old girl on birth control? I believe it was Sunday that I saw the federal government was talking about changing the legalities of some harder drugs because of the increased opiod deaths since the spring. And yet "we" are shit on because of what we do? Makes no sense!a
 

FitTrader

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If you find the right doctor can get anything besides HGH and test..
I’ve gotten adex aromasin and HCG prescribed
And once the pharmacy technician made a mistake and thought I had insurance and 30 tabs of adex cost me less than a protein bar
 

Peter Akara

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If she were to do that I would contact the governing body for physicians (Alberta College of Physicians and Surgeons) and file a complaint. A doctor cannot, on a whim, decide that you no longer need medication. If it was prescribed, it follows that it was done so based on specific criteria i.e. to treat a hormone deficiency, and she cannot rule against that. She would have to be able to prove that it was not needed, which she will not be able to do. If she gives you that much grief about it perhaps she would recommend you to a colleague?

Next time she gives you grief I would make sure to be recording the conversation and ask her to specify the issue. If she veers of course into any sort of rant or nonsense I would then ask to be referred to another physician. If she refuses, I would contact the governing body and file a complaint. There's assholes out there of all stripes. My pain specialist was like that. I went around her and obtained a back surgery when she refused to refer me, then I waited 6 months before I told her. She was pissed, but I had no use for her by then.

This is incorrect.
Just because one independent physician thinks a particular treatment plan is acceptable, does not mean any other physician is obligated to agree or continue it. That's why you should continue to follow-up with the MD that was prescribing the TRT/HRT in the first place. And if you moved, or they moved, there is again no obligation for a completely different and independent provider to continue that plan.
 
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