A Hopefully Level Headed Conversation on Electricity and on WTF we're going.

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I probably explained wrong...

CO2 that is locked in the ground in coal, gas, oil is harmless and can not enter the air unless it is taken out of the ground and burned. IF its in there, its harless. Once you take it out and add it to the air, its adding more C02 to the air that wasn't there before and therefore making the CO2 levels rise. Once you take the coal/oil etc out and burn it, you can't put it back into the ground and out of the equation above ground.

C02 thats in trees, isn't locked in. As the tree died the carbon in the Co2 is released in the ground or turns into gas and oil etc.. This carbon pretty much circulates the earth over and over.
You explained it right.
That co2 was in the air before. Just like it’s trapped in the tree it’s trapped in the oil. No difference.
Only difference now is people have been led to believe that co2 levels higher than anything in OUR recorded history is evil, and speculate doom and gloom without any proof. The climate models are not right. We do not have the computing power to insert all the variables, plus we don’t understand the sun enough.
I know they say the oceans will acidify, but there was no proof of that when levels were 5 times now, or that the earth will become a desert, but that has already been debunked.
It’s interesting that if you watch geological or paleontological video, or read a book of the same sort, they do not talk about the evils of high co2, but how life thrived and adapted to it.

Plus temperature rise has already been shown not to rise due to co2 increases, but adjusting of numbers by NASA and NOAA is what makes it seem so.
If you don’t believe that, here is a video.
 
You explained it right.
That co2 was in the air before. Just like it’s trapped in the tree it’s trapped in the oil. No difference.
Only difference now is people have been led to believe that co2 levels higher than anything in OUR recorded history is evil, and speculate doom and gloom without any proof. The climate models are not right. We do not have the computing power to insert all the variables, plus we don’t understand the sun enough.
I know they say the oceans will acidify, but there was no proof of that when levels were 5 times now, or that the earth will become a desert, but that has already been debunked.
It’s interesting that if you watch geological or paleontological video, or read a book of the same sort, they do not talk about the evils of high co2, but how life thrived and adapted to it.

Plus temperature rise has already been shown not to rise due to co2 increases, but adjusting of numbers by NASA and NOAA is what makes it seem so.
If you don’t believe that, here is a video.


Sorb you know I usually stay out of these conversations but I was waiting for you to post this one up, or at least I think this is the one, I have not watched it yet :). But I remember that you previously posted a video up that showed no correlation between co2 and temps. This may or not be the same one but I followed up on a bunch of the references the guy made and they all checked out - iirc Historical data going back as far as it had ever been recorded showed no relationship. Probably the last time I ever gave it any thought, all these taxes and shit around it are boooooolshit agenda driven cons.

Sorb there are lots of things I see differently than you and would be glad to argue about but you got this one nailed as far as I, a mature, intelligent adult can tell anyhow. Kudos. I haven't read this thread with great care either though so ... lol

G1 out.
 
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Sorb you know I usually stay out of these conversations but I was waiting for you to post this one up, or at least I think this is the one, I have not watched it yet :). But I remember that you previously posted a video up that showed no correlation between co2 and temps. This may or not be the same one but I followed up on a bunch of the references the guy made and they all checked out - iirc Historical data going back as far as it had ever been recorded showed no relationship. Probably the last time I ever gave it any thought, all these taxes and shit around it are boooooolshit ajeda driven cons.

Sorb there are lots of things I see differently than you and would be glad to argue about but you got this one nailed as far as I, a mature, intelligent adult can tell anyhow. Kudos. I haven't read this thread with great care either though so ... lol

G1 out.

Holy crap. Almost...almost EVERY scientist on the planet agrees to us causing global warming. Like 10 of them that don't? You guys believe.

We had McCarthyism and we're now seeing Trumpism.

Ignore the truth and the actual science, not your made up models just like Donald made up his weather map to make it like he didn't lie about Albama getting hit by a hurricane...for what sounds good! Donald is your scientist now. His Twitter? The 50 times he repeats everything because you guys didn't get it in 49? It's real? All of it's real!

"No, we just CAN'T be killing our world! It's like 11ty billion times the size of a planet that would EVER accept 200,000,000 sources of co2 throwing hundreds of millions of tons of co2 into the air every single day! Heck I heard on a website that we don't even breathe co2 out anymore! 7 billion people just stopped breathing co2/Co(Carbon Monoxide) I swear! I saw a conspiracy site with a video! The video made me feel good, LePsyber, it really did because it took at the blame away from humanity! Don't you SEE? Humans don't WANT to kill the world so we CAN'T kill the world because we don't really want to do it! It's important that nobody takes any blame because that would make people panic and not feel good, LePsyber! Hell, what do we need air for anyways? We'll just breathe co2, right! There! No problem! Just like Daddy Trump! Alabama is going to get hit with the hurricane because his sharpie modified map says so and 10 scientists say the world isn't filling up with carbon dioxide despite every single thing we do ejecting co2! There might be a fairy with a magic wand involved though who WISHES our toxic co2 away...hmmm."
 
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Holy crap. Almost...almost EVERY scientist on the planet agrees to us causing global warming. Like 10 of them that don't? You guys believe.

That comment really shows how brainwashed you are... If the private sector was to study global warming, they would go completely broke, because it doesn’t create any goods or services. There’s nothing to sell or profit off of from the research of global warming. The ONLY scientists in the world that study global warming are government funded, and their purpose is to find and bend data to make global warming appear to be real. So of COURSE all these “scientists” say that global warming is real.

you go on to say that we get our facts from “orange man” when you clearly get yours from CNN and Washington post, so that’s complete hypocrisy and gives you absolutely no credibility. You just take the words of what your told from who you support and anything that contradicts that must be a lie, because the people who brainwashed you into supporting them told you so. Way to be an independent thinker.

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Holy crap. Almost...almost EVERY scientist on the planet agrees to us causing global warming. Like 10 of them that don't? You guys believe.

We had McCarthyism and we're now seeing Trumpism.

Ignore the truth and the actual science, not your made up models just like Donald made up his weather map to make it like he didn't lie about Albama getting hit by a hurricane...for what sounds good! Donald is your scientist now. His Twitter? The 50 times he repeats everything because you guys didn't get it in 49? It's real? All of it's real!

"No, we just CAN'T be killing our world! It's like 11ty billion times the size of a planet that would EVER accept 200,000,000 sources of co2 throwing hundreds of millions of tons of co2 into the air every single day! Heck I heard on a website that we don't even breathe co2 out anymore! 7 billion people just stopped breathing co2/Co(Carbon Monoxide) I swear! I saw a conspiracy site with a video! The video made me feel good, LePsyber, it really did because it took at the blame away from humanity! Don't you SEE? Humans don't WANT to kill the world so we CAN'T kill the world because we don't really want to do it! It's important that nobody takes any blame because that would make people panic and not feel good, LePsyber! Hell, what do we need air for anyways? We'll just breathe co2, right! There! No problem! Just like Daddy Trump! Alabama is going to get hit with the hurricane because his sharpie modified map says so and 10 scientists say the world isn't filling up with carbon dioxide despite every single thing we do ejecting co2! There might be a fairy with a magic wand involved though who WISHES our toxic co2 away...hmmm."
Ok, all the co2 we are putting in the air, well guess what, was there when the original mammels walked on this planet. Or the very least, multicellular organisms.
That was when coal and oil was produced because of the insane amount of vegatation (btw dinosaurs didn’t make oil, it was the vegetation they ate)
Anyhow it’s amazing that things surged and live expanded during the so called evil high co2 era.
If you watched the first video, which I know for a fact you didn’t, you would know that the earth is greening, and ecosystems are returning to places that they havnt been fir hundreds of thousands of years. As our greenhouse gases increase, our climate will become more temperate, more humid and life will flourish.
The extremes of temperature on the planet we see now, will not be so pronounced, but more evenly distributed. This is a known fact, and as been proven thru core data.
Those scientists you talk about get paid to say that co2 is evil, but the thousands that know it’s not true, are not subsidized. And the 90% believe is a fake number. Created by Gorites to enslave the world, lol.
 
That comment really shows how brainwashed you are... If the private sector was to study global warming, they would go completely broke, because it doesn’t create any goods or services. There’s nothing to sell or profit off of from the research of global warming. The ONLY scientists in the world that study global warming are government funded, and their purpose is to find and bend data to make global warming appear to be real. So of COURSE all these “scientists” say that global warming is real.

you go on to say that we get our facts from “orange man” when you clearly get yours from CNN and Washington post, so that’s complete hypocrisy and gives you absolutely no credibility. You just take the words of what your told from who you support and anything that contradicts that must be a lie, because the people who brainwashed you into supporting them told you so. Way to be an independent thinker.

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Washington post is the worst.
 
sorry @LePsyber
But you ask for a rational and "Level headed" conversation, but just go around insulting, mis quoting degrading and ranting.

You cant ask for a level headed conversation... then be the guy to drive it into the ditch!

Post your studies with their background information, and base calculations with the reasoning if you're so correct.

Also, the mentioning of Trump at EVERYTHING you disagree with is NOT helping your cause.
It's a clear cut case of Trunp derangement syndrome...
No one else here mentioned Trump or his policies whatsoever, yet all Dems feel the need to bring him up in conversations and discussions to blame him for everything.
 
Sorb you know I usually stay out of these conversations but I was waiting for you to post this one up, or at least I think this is the one, I have not watched it yet :). But I remember that you previously posted a video up that showed no correlation between co2 and temps. This may or not be the same one but I followed up on a bunch of the references the guy made and they all checked out - iirc Historical data going back as far as it had ever been recorded showed no relationship. Probably the last time I ever gave it any thought, all these taxes and shit around it are boooooolshit ajeda driven cons.

Sorb there are lots of things I see differently than you and would be glad to argue about but you got this one nailed as far as I, a mature, intelligent adult can tell anyhow. Kudos. I haven't read this thread with great care either though so ... lol

G1 out.
You can check all of Tony Hellers sources and see what he posts as factual.
His daytime job is a data analyst.
 
You can check all of Tony Hellers sources and see what he posts as factual.
His daytime job is a data analyst.

That is def the guy, I watched a few more vids since first post. Like I said I spent at least one weekend fact checking his claims and it didn't take long before a pattern emerged. It was very obvious that certain groups were manipulating the data and giving a warped view of the situation that you'd have to conclude was being driven by some ulterior motive. When I was discussing it with a friend the comparison was made to click bait health articles with titles like "Consuming this one simple drink will lead to certain death". Yep, it won't take much of a study (peer reviewed too!) to show that %100 of people who drink water will die but the real motivation here was just to get clicks.

It's not too hard to ascertain the motives of some body that supports a deceitful narrative and then uses it as the basis of forcing a tax on the community.
 
That is def the guy, I watched a few more vids since first post. Like I said I spent at least one weekend fact checking his claims and it didn't take long before a pattern emerged. It was very obvious that certain groups were manipulating the data and giving a warped view of the situation that you'd have to conclude was being driven by some ulterior motive. When I was discussing it with a friend the comparison was made to click bait health articles with titles like "Consuming this one simple drink will lead to certain death". Yep, it won't take much of a study (peer reviewed too!) to show that %100 of people who drink water will die but the real motivation here was just to get clicks.

It's not too hard to ascertain the motives of some body that supports a deceitful narrative and then uses it as the basis of forcing a tax on the community.

Agreed
My real question to you would be...

In what ACTUAL, TANGIBLE, REAL way, has the carbon tax helped the environment?

Has the government earmarked the funds raised for pro-environment spending...
nope

Has ONLY the polluters been taxed?
Nope (corporations just increased the price of their goods and shoveled it off to US, the consumer, best part the tax hike was across the board... so it is still competitive to raise your prices as a corporation... because all of your competitors are doing the same)

Has the government even increased tax breaks and incentives for environmentally friendly technologies?
Fuck no
(In fact they've cut the subsidies in half.)

Pro environment?
Nope

Tax grab to pay off your voter base and special interest groups?

Yes
 
Holy crap. Almost...almost EVERY scientist on the planet agrees to us causing global warming. Like 10 of them that don't? You guys believe.
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I'm all about the facts not the hysteria.

For example I don't buy the statement that "Almost...almost EVERY scientist on the planet agrees to us causing global warming". I mean can you back that up? Lets say there are just a measly 10 million scientists on the planet, have you heard this from all of them or maybe only 20 or so? (the vocal minority). I'll side with whoever has the facts straight or maybe someone who will admit to the lack of facts but is honest and has an intelligent theory on the subject at hand. Once you manipulate the facts or use purposeful omission to bolster your case everything you say is suspect.

The rest of your post is waaaay off topic and gives us all a little peek behind the curtain.

I'd say put your bias' on chill and watch the videos. Then fact check the shit out of them. I know this can get emotional but I think it's clouding your judgement, get the facts straight from the data, not from some interview or Ted talk and think about who has what to gain by taking one side over the other, often in the face of good science.

That's my last post here, thanks gents.
 
That comment really shows how brainwashed you are... If the private sector was to study global warming, they would go completely broke, because it doesn’t create any goods or services. There’s nothing to sell or profit off of from the research of global warming. The ONLY scientists in the world that study global warming are government funded, and their purpose is to find and bend data to make global warming appear to be real. So of COURSE all these “scientists” say that global warming is real.

you go on to say that we get our facts from “orange man” when you clearly get yours from CNN and Washington post, so that’s complete hypocrisy and gives you absolutely no credibility. You just take the words of what your told from who you support and anything that contradicts that must be a lie, because the people who brainwashed you into supporting them told you so. Way to be an independent thinker.

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Here, pull your head out of your ass.

Link to REAL science page, not one Trump brainwashed you to believe.

As for brainwashing, the dude doctored a map of a hurricane map because he doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on Alabama getting hit by a hurricane despite the WORLD other than Trump saying it wasn't. How does he try to not look like an idiot? He makes himself look worse by (btw, it's a crime to falsify an official National Weather map because people's lives are on the line) taking his Sharpie and ADDING Alabama.

But why is this important? Because people left their houses to get away from Trumps hurricane. They fled their houses, leaving them for looting and they drove down highways without necessity. There could have been car accidents from his FAKE MAP. So go on and take a look at your lord and savior Donald Trump's FAKE MAP. Just go look at the little nutsack he made out of Alabama so he could TRY to untarnish his lying ass.
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Then, if you can get your head out of your ass long enough, maybe contemplate how many times he falsifies the truth to fit what he wants or needs. Maybe think that if he did it once (like he did when he draft dodged the Viet Nam war (4 college deferments and then when he couldn't justify any more years he suddenly formed heel spurs but just during the Viet Nam war...right afterwards he was playing tennis like heel spurs come and go like a cold. In fact here's a picture of Donald getting an award for basketball...during college. Playing basketball with those heel spurs and all that kept his chicken shit ass out of having to risk his life like REAL men and women did. God, look at how soft in the gut he looked even there. Soft gut, soft mind.

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But WAIT! Donad Trump Inc. has gone bankrupt lessie 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times! Six times! My isn't it good to have a man who couldn't drop driving his own casinos into the ground nonstop running the country???

BUT WAIT! Donald said he'd turn in his tax returns which is something every president before him has done to show that they're not a lying, scumbag cheating piece of shit who scammed their way into being president! And how do I know whyyy?



Don't even tempt me because I can pull video of him lying hundreds of times.
 
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Here, pull your head out of your ass.

Link to REAL science page, not one Trump brainwashed you to believe.

As for brainwashing, the dude doctored a map of a hurricane map because he doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on Alabama getting hit by a hurricane despite the WORLD other than Trump saying it wasn't. How does he try to not look like an idiot? He makes himself look worse by (btw, it's a crime to falsify an official National Weather map because people's lives are on the line) taking his Sharpie and ADDING Alabama.

But why is this important? Because people left their houses to get away from Trumps hurricane. They fled their houses, leaving them for looting and they drove down highways without necessity. There could have been car accidents from his FAKE MAP. So go on and take a look at your lord and savior Donald Trump's FAKE MAP. Just go look at the little nutsack he made out of Alabama so he could TRY to untarnish his lying ass.
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Then, if you can get your head out of your ass long enough, maybe contemplate how many times he falsifies the truth to fit what he wants or needs. Maybe think that if he did it once (like he did when he draft dodged the Viet Nam war (4 college deferments and then when he couldn't justify any more years he suddenly formed heel spurs but just during the Viet Nam war...right afterwards he was playing tennis like heel spurs come and go like a cold. In fact here's a picture of Donald getting an award for basketball...during college. Playing basketball with those heel spurs and all that kept his chicken shit ass out of having to risk his life like REAL men and women did. God, look at how soft in the gut he looked even there. Soft gut, soft mind.

2AB3F91500000578-0-image-a-6_1437419871454.jpg


But WAIT! Donad Trump Inc. has gone bankrupt lessie 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 times! Six times! My isn't it good to have a man who couldn't drop driving his own casinos into the ground nonstop running the country???

BUT WAIT! Donald said he'd turn in his tax returns which is something every president before him has done to show that they're not a lying, scumbag cheating piece of shit who scammed their way into being president! And how do I know whyyy?



Don't even tempt me because I can pull video of him lying hundreds of times.

sorry @LePsyber
Also, the mentioning of Trump at EVERYTHING you disagree with is NOT helping your cause.
It's a clear cut case of Trunp derangement syndrome...
No one else here mentioned Trump or his policies whatsoever.

This is possibly the worst case of trump derangement syndrome I’ve ever seen. From global warming straight to trump and his tax forms, with absolutely nobody even bringing trump up. He just can’t help himself but to hate the guy and talk about him every chance he gets. Maybe it’s a crush?

It must suck to hate somewhat that much, especially when the person you despise keeps on winning. Over and over and over and over again.

get my head of of my ass? Lol why don’t you take your own advice and get your head out of CNNs ass, pal.
 
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