Anyone use nolvadex, as a on cycle anti estrogen?
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I’m not 100% sure if this is true but
I got some letrozole once (in 2015)
I was on cycle and did bloods, my estrogen was sky high, like 3000+ nmol/L
Although I was on Tren, I’ve done bloods a lot and it was never even close to that high. Usually on Tren my estrogen is in the hundreds.
I’m guessing it was nolvadex and not letrozole (so it didn’t stop estrogen levels from rising)
Always wondered if nolvadex on cycle works cause of that
Agreed with everything above.
If you want to keep gyno away then 10mg daily or 20mg every other day of Nolvadex will help.
If you’re experiencing too much estrogen sides then go with Aromasin at 25mg eod or even lower 12.5mg. I prefer aromasin because it’s something I’ve had in abundance pharm grade and also tried the some sponsor’s product to say that they work just as good.
Your blood tests just verified that it was not an aromatase inhibitor you used. Try giving it another chance with other companies. Good job on getting regular blood work as it’s the only way to accurately know what’s going on (or many many years of knowing your body and the data you’ve gathered depending on your knowledge of how your body reacts to certain chemical compounds).
If you want to keep gyno away then 10mg daily or 20mg every other day of Nolvadex will help.
If you’re experiencing too much estrogen sides then go with Aromasin at 25mg eod or even lower 12.5mg. I prefer aromasin because it’s something I’ve had in abundance pharm grade and also tried the some sponsor’s product to say that they work just as good.
Your blood tests just verified that it was not an aromatase inhibitor you used. Try giving it another chance with other companies. Good job on getting regular blood work as it’s the only way to accurately know what’s going on (or many many years of knowing your body and the data you’ve gathered depending on your knowledge of how your body reacts to certain chemical compounds).
biguglynewf
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Serms block estrogen from binding at the receptor however estrogen continues to be made and circulate within the body.
AI destroys the aromatase enzyme that is required to make estrogen. Without the enzyme estrogen can’t be made. Different AIs are more potent AIs that others so there can be varying degrees of how must estrogen your body makes if there is some enzyme left estrogen will be made and will seek out a receptor.
AI destroys the aromatase enzyme that is required to make estrogen. Without the enzyme estrogen can’t be made. Different AIs are more potent AIs that others so there can be varying degrees of how must estrogen your body makes if there is some enzyme left estrogen will be made and will seek out a receptor.
You have to clarify your question bro
It seems like you’re asking whether your letro was Nolvadex and we have addressed that already so have you with your blood work.
We have also provided enough information so you can compare and contrast between AIs and SERMs.
To answer your other question, yes I have used Nolvadex on cycle. What now?
We are all just trying to help taking our time and energy to help you out.
What does 2015 have to do with the current date? Do you still have this letro on hand and trying to utilize it?
Please be more clear or maybe I’m just too dumb to understand, please forgive me. Not trying to accomplish anything here but help a bro out
It seems like you’re asking whether your letro was Nolvadex and we have addressed that already so have you with your blood work.
We have also provided enough information so you can compare and contrast between AIs and SERMs.
To answer your other question, yes I have used Nolvadex on cycle. What now?
We are all just trying to help taking our time and energy to help you out.
What does 2015 have to do with the current date? Do you still have this letro on hand and trying to utilize it?
Please be more clear or maybe I’m just too dumb to understand, please forgive me. Not trying to accomplish anything here but help a bro out
You have to clarify your question bro
It seems like you’re asking whether your letro was Nolvadex and we have addressed that already so have you with your blood work.
We have also provided enough information so you can compare and contrast between AIs and SERMs.
To answer your other question, yes I have used Nolvadex on cycle. What now?
We are all just trying to help taking our time and energy to help you out.
What does 2015 have to do with the current date? Do you still have this letro on hand and trying to utilize it?
Please be more clear or maybe I’m just too dumb to understand, please forgive me. Not trying to accomplish anything here but help a bro out
I have a tendency to not ask questions clearly, my fault.
I was just wondering for future use, if anyone used nolvadex on cycle. Was planning to use it in the future over an AI because I’m assuming in 2015 I had nolvadex vs letro and wanted to repeat the same cycle. The letro being nolvadex thing was just a theory though
I didn’t know if people did use nolvadex on cycle though, so I was wondering if people did. I guess people do use it though, I’ll try nolvadex next time instead of an AI.
There are risks with doing so....Tamoxifen is known to cause accelerated fatty liver when used for an extended period of time. I have personally learned this the hard way, I would not suggest using Tamoxifen instead of an AI. Do some more research @Rocky, you will see that this is not the best idea, using an AI would be the proper way, I choose Exemestane as I have found it much easier to dial in than when trying Anastrozole.
Sorry to hear about that, I hope you recovered okay
I’ll look into it a bit more now, thanks
Hey man, don’t apologize for asking questions and @entropy wasnt attacking you, he just wanted more info to answer accurately. I wish I could answer this for you. I don’t use nolva while on but I rarely go over 200 mg week of anything (combined) so I don’t have estrogen issues according to my blood work.
Again - I’m regurgitating what I’ve read from guys like @biguglynewf who know more but estrogen is important for muscle growth and sex drive so you don’t want to crash it and you don’t want it to be too high.
Welcome to playing pharmacology on yourself and you will make mistakes and learn from them.
Best of luck.
As a guy with mild fatty liver, but not caused by any drug, if you can avoid this do. Fatty liver can be fairly benign and can be fatal over time depending on the severity hence one reason why I never run high doses plus I don’t need them to grow.
I believe tamoxifen increases your chances of fatty liver by 30-40% if used ‘long term’ whatever that time frame is.
I often read guys on here and other forums saying I’m on 4 different compounds and two compounds are known to be liver toxic but my liver enzymes are fine - or only professionals who are taking grams of gear will have liver issues. Maybe from an acute perspective but not from a chronic perspective.
I read a guy who said he brought up liver supplements with his doctor and she laughed which I don’t follow as she obviously doesn’t read medical studies proving there are several herbs and vitamins that can save your liver cells from dying when hit with toxins.
Anyway I could rent but I won’t, The liver is resilient and can self heal, but like anything else, it can only take so much punishment.
Yeah bro definitely look into gauging the right dose of AI for you. As I’ve said I like Aromasin but to each his own. I’ve had letro on hand for so many years and never touched. As mentioned, estrogen plays a key role in your body.
I personally didn’t know about a fatty liver issue with Nolvadex use long term, thanks fellas for informing us. I’ve used Nolvadex so many years ago when I was too scared of gyno since I’ve had a little bit from puberty. After reading more and experimenting more, I left it alone and ran an AI during cycle. I also got gyno surgery some years back and haven’t cycled since then.
Always have back up gear during cycle in case of emergencies and that may be a bad batch of AI or too much estrogen related sides. I’ve had some letro that’s been sitting in a dark cool place for 5 years now lol
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I have been following your posts about the liver and supplementation bro and thank you as I’ve learned a lot. I have liver issues myself and recently have gotten into the mindset of paying more attention to vital organs in order to reach a healthy state.
Hi @entropy - through experimentation with herbs and different peptides I’ve learned a lot about protecting the liver. I have been able to get everything under control and actually improve each month. I spend a lot of money monitoring but we only have one liver.
There are so many studies on animals that are kind of cruel but nonetheless prove even when poisoned by toxic substances, taking specific herbs or peps before, during or after may protect you. BPC157 is my newest experiment as it is being tested for organ rejection, stopped rats from dying when poisoned with lethal insulin doses, and add it has no toxicity determined (yet). Further, it is great for healing injuries.
I will never understand why there is post cycle support, not that it isn’t a good idea but if you ever needed the liver and kidney, BP, etc. Support it is while on cycle.
Take care bud.
Nolvadex isnt the only Serm
I'm currently running just a SERM and no AI on my stack (although i am running Proviron as well... so I do see some minor estrogen control)
I feel great
Nolva is over used in bodybuilding IMHO, it's quite harmful for your health.
Clomid doesnt have a major affinity for breast tissue like Nolva does either.
That leaves us with Ralox and Torem
Never tried Ralox, so I'm using Torem lol.
I also think AIs are over used as well... but that's a different topic of discussion