New China Regulations

It’s all guessing right now. Even the people there are speculating.

To think that there will little interruption is naive. To think that some other country is just going to pick up where China left off is also naive. To think that steroid powder is all these guys sell is another mistake. If it proves difficult - or worse - dangerous for people to sell to the west, they won’t do it.

I’m told we should start to see where this is going to go after Chinese New Year.

Some labs have decent supplies and will continue to run but at some point availability and cost is going to be a limiting factor for everyone unless something changes.
 
It’s all guessing right now. Even the people there are speculating.

To think that there will little interruption is naive. To think that some other country is just going to pick up where China left off is also naive. To think that steroid powder is all these guys sell is another mistake. If it proves difficult - or worse - dangerous for people to sell to the west, they won’t do it.

I’m told we should start to see where this is going to go after Chinese New Year.

Some labs have decent supplies and will continue to run but at some point availability and cost is going to be a limiting factor for everyone unless something changes.


and more and more and more guys will seek to get on doctor prescribed test

and this could end up being back like the old days where there where no underground labs and guys bought what they could at inflated prices.
which on the one hand is not something I wish on anyone but on the other hand seeing how to many guys now seem to have lost the respect for their reps that existed back in the early days. its kind of a karma wake up. the labs with good long term relations with their suppliers will get their products ahead of any new lab. the client that is loyal to his lab will get his products before anyone new.
anyone that has been seen as disrespectful to labs might be hung out to dry.
it will be a sellers market and no longer a buyer's market.

A raw seller I know well has put through 135k US in orders in the last 2 weeks. that is not only Canada but also the states. That is 180K in Canadian dollars. That is just one guy. He is one of many guys. When I hear a figure like that it confirms to me that there are a lot of labs with deep pockets that have been buying up a lot of stock. they are treating this like a war and they are arming up in case things get real bad.
 
I wish I could add to this because I know a few guys who are now in China. A couple of them manage enterprises and what they tell me about Chinese factory size is remarkable. I can see the Central Government cracking down, but I can't see how they can completely stop the flow.
Xi Jinping has just recently taken to wearing Mao Suits. That is something that makes China watchers comment. For us? Good or bad, I don't know.
 
I have a feeling we're going to get a lot more shitty/underdosed gear circulating, and we may even see a price increase from some guys.

I think we'll really see the damage in about a year when people start to run low..
 
I have a feeling we're going to get a lot more shitty/underdosed gear circulating, and we may even see a price increase from some guys.

I think we'll really see the damage in about a year when people start to run low..
Agree, We will find out who the good labs are real quick. I have already saw significant price increases
 
True.. maybe a bad choice of words. but that was the reasoning from both labs


It’s all speculation in my opinion
If one lab thinks the end is near then why not raise prices
If another lab feels that everything will be ok they may not raise prices
I don’t feel either is right or wrong
That’s my take on it

In reality the beauty of capitalism is the market will decide
 
China is a funny place.

They will put these laws in place to appease the US but will not really enforce them. They will bust a few manufacturers every once in a while and make some noise but I think long term things will go back to the status quo.

We may see an up tick in prices but anyone who was around in the late 80s and early 90s what we pay now is nothing compared to those days.
 
The top quality brands have invested significant time and resources into their brands. Year after year, stress after stress and if the end is near it would only seem appropriate to do their best to garner some of that investment back. Is this the end? Nobody knows for sure. But if it is the end prices must increase to ensure long-term availability. It’s not about greed. This is economics 101.

Anyone who is apprised of the China situation on Clenbuterol will understand that if China gives hormones the same treatment as Clenbuterol it is over. They don’t play games in China contrary to what many people say, if they are actually serious about removing them from the underground they will be gone. And everyone claiming another country will pick up where China left off is more speculation. The main takeaway from this is nobody knows anything about anything at this point. This is an unprecedented move from a China. This has never happened before. And when knowledge is scarce it’s best to reduce risk, meaning a slight increase prices to make sure that if the ban is permanent the brand can sustain multiple years without shortages.
 
No way I would risk ordering raws now. Stick with domestic, with what's going on anything being sent through the mail that would be let through I want to say there's atleast 95% chance now it's being watched.
I don't doubt some people are still shipping out but no way, it's not worth it.

If another domestic supplier ever becomes available 100% yes without question but I wouldn't do anything else.
 
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