Mandatory Masks

It sucks. An entire industry. I feel for you guys. It's a livelihood gone and that is never good.

The worst of it is. Every one of those rigs indirectly touches countless jobs all across Canada. If Canadians understood the process from exploration, to lease construction, drilling, completions. The amount of manpower it requires they may think about this whole situation differently. Shit just the amount of tires the oilfield would burn through in a year would be mind blowing. This affects the factories out east. The countless trucks that aren’t getting pounded out, fixed with parts or completely replaced. Another hit to the east. Hotels, restaurants, gas stations. The poor cleaning staff that is laid off from empty hotels. All those single mothers who could make a great living being a waitress in an oilfield town.
I’ve seen it countless times when you get a bunch of guys sitting at a lounge having drinks and dinner. Most of the wages of the guys that work at the table are somewhere between 100-300k per year. Guess what, a $250 bill for a table will likely result in a $100 tip for the girl.
Canada has no idea what it has lost. No help from the government for the oilfield.
Even worse is fellow Canadians happy to see Alberta fail.

The fight for separation out here is real
 
Little different when a dr who uses it properly and it’s medical grade vs some shmucks dishrag


lol.. You've now quoted 2 of my posts that have shown 2 different studies that have concluded basic cotton or dishrags are really good material for homemade masks. The last one actually showed they worked better than a store-bought n95 type mask.

#dishragsmatter.
 
Those ones at Costco are not surgical masks.

They are not for medical use and they do not meet any standard. Specifically the ASTM standards. For droplets, you need a type 2 or better.

Be careful what you speak of.

If you don’t know about things.... stop pretending you do. Passing on false information is not ok.

You can argue this with me, but you will lose.
Of course i wouldn't argue it. It would be nice to get accurate information from Costco though. :p
 
Does Costco sell masks? I get mine from ex-wifey and Penetang. Long story there, man.
Yes, like Newf said, they're non medical grade but IMO they're better than the alternative which are 2 wide open nostrils and 1 wide open mouth. Given the shortage for hospitals, I wonder how possible it is to even get medical quality...for of us without an ex-wifey with a long story.;)

Of course straight out of China but what HAVE we managed to keep made in Canada/higher quality?
 
Did you actually read the article and the links provided or just jump to China bad?
Herd immunity theory is working wonders in Sweden.

Yes I read it. Judging again?
And we have not gone thru this virus yet. We will go back on this in 5 years. Then we can compare. Our shutdown will have damaging effects, not just on money making ability, but it will kill people.
 
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It's not fear. It's caution.

Too bad we arent as cautious about the crap they put in our food/water. I bet would could bring down the cancer numbers if we were.
Or the sugar and HFCS hidden in everything. That could help with heart disease and maybe childhood obesity
Maybe the opioid problem in the country. We know where the drugs are coming from and the damage they are doing .
But no. those problems are just part of life and we are to make our own decisions and decide what is the best way to stay safe. Forcing a mask on someone healthy to protect others from the possibility of catching a virus that they wont even notice they have must be priority.
 
Cautious enough to destroy a nations livelihood in fear of a chest cold. Lock up the sick and old and let the rest of us continue on. Memento mori

It doesn't work. Spain proved that and brazil is doing the same.
 
Yes I read it. Judging again?
And we have not gone thru this virus yet. We will go back on this in 5 years. Then we can compare. Our shutdown will have damaging effects, not just on money making ability, but it will kill people.

Not judging, just asking.
Here are the links from the article.

Of course, the shutdown will have damaging effects, but it will be nowhere near what we would have had without a lockdown.
 
I do not want this to EVER be political but Texas just mandated a face-covering order.

I cannot even BELIEVE how bad it must be for those dudes to do that. We've been to Texas a bunch of times mostly because we hooked up with a bunch of Texans/Canadian friends who just plain love Texas. From that, I've learned that they are one of the freest demanding people on Earth. Someone talking about banning handguns or ARs/Aks is just replied with a snort before someone empties a 30 round magazine from their full auto AK-47 into a busted up car somewhere. Shrinking mag size? Eye rolls because they know that it wouldn't even reach the point of getting read on the Texan Senate floor with enough sponsors to even read it let alone it being discussed.

Freedom isn't a thing there, they're just plain free and everything else can go frig itself. We've loved it there because there's so damn much...well...freedom there. The culture that in many places is very integrated with Mexico.

The FOOD. FUCKING HELL the food is incredible. Thirty oz steak all the way to a full deal Mexican platter of the best and freshest food ever. The little hole in the wall Mexican places where you get a couple of paper plates with a bunch of chicken, chips or tortillas and guacamole, sour cream and some sort of homemade salsa's that'll rip your face off or just plain taste so fresh.

Great people and I know that if anybody in this world who will feel mental screaming in pain at having to cover their faces. it's them. Besides, how the fuck can you eat a 30 oz steak through a fucking mask???
 
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Not judging, just asking.
Here are the links from the article.

Of course, the shutdown will have damaging effects, but it will be nowhere near what we would have had without a lockdown.


Okay. I have to ask you or one of the others involved with medicine hardcore because this was a first for me. I saw a video of the switching of a breathing tube the other day because the old one was clogged. Jesus Christ, I almost launched my breakfast because it looked like eight inches of coagulated chicken fat you get when you refrigerate some chicken you broiled and then left them in the pan before putting them in the fridge. The only difference was the BUNCH of blood all mingled with the chicken jelly. There had to be a quarter-inch all the way around the tube, jiggling in the fresh air.

Now I have never seen a chest tube replaced but is this how they get a lot? Or is it just a really bad lung infection deal because holy fuck, I've seen one ungodly amount of gore but it really struck me that the chunky chest tube had just come out of someone's lungs. God only knows how much of the gore was scraped off on the way out and never made it into the video.

It was like an overdone special effect from a movie. FRIG it was nasty!
 
Not judging, just asking.
Here are the links from the article.

Of course, the shutdown will have damaging effects, but it will be nowhere near what we would have had without a lockdown.

I only had time to read the first study right now. They only state that there is a decrease in antibodies after 3 months, around 8-10%. The study has not followed out for the year to see if they are gone, or when they are not detectable.
Now they didn’t state if antibidies from Mars or SARS 1 reduced as well, but were still detectable after a year.
Maybe that was in one of the other studies? Or did I miss something?

We will not know what effect the shutdown will have for years. Maybe the economy will still be damaged enough that my grandson cant find a part time job to learn how to work in 6 years?
Or the children just making the grade will fall far behind in school and never get back out. I know how it feels to fall behind in math in school, once you get to a certain point, you give up.
Also I wonder how many people died because surgery was postponed? Or people who died in their homes because they didn’t go to the hospital?
How many have killed themselves from the isolation? Or will in the future because they feel like there is no way out after they lose everything.
Or the heightened crime that occurs as unemployment increases. There is numerous studies on this.

I could go on, but you get my point.

I agree they needed to restrict, but I’m not sure a total shut down was a good thing. But it just my opinion.
 
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I do not want this to EVER be political but Texas just mandated a face-covering order.

I cannot even BELIEVE how bad it must be for those dudes to do that. We've been to Texas a bunch of times mostly because we hooked up with a bunch of Texans/Canadian friends who just plain love Texas. From that, I've learned that they are one of the freest demanding people on Earth. Someone talking about banning handguns or ARs/Aks is just replied with a snort before someone empties a 30 round magazine from their full auto AK-47 into a busted up car somewhere. Shrinking mag size? Eye rolls because they know that it wouldn't even reach the point of getting read on the Texan Senate floor with enough sponsors to even read it let alone it being discussed.

Freedom isn't a thing there, they're just plain free and everything else can go frig itself. We've loved it there because there's so damn much...well...freedom there. The culture that in many places is very integrated with Mexico.

The FOOD. FUCKING HELL the food is incredible. Thirty oz steak all the way to a full deal Mexican platter of the best and freshest food ever. The little hole in the wall Mexican places where you get a couple of paper plates with a bunch of chicken, chips or tortillas and guacamole, sour cream and some sort of homemade salsa's that'll rip your face off or just plain taste so fresh.

Great people and I know that if anybody in this world who will feel mental screaming in pain had having to cover it. it's them. Besides, how the fuck can you eat a 30 oz steak through a fucking mask???
I have family there, they are not happy with what is happening. They think the government is overreaching.
 
I only had time to read the first study right now. They only state that there is a decrease in antibodies after 3 months, around 8-10%. The study has not followed out for the year to see if they are gone, or when they are not detectable.
Now they didn’t state if antibidies from Mars or SARS 1 reduced as well, but were still detectable after a year.
Maybe that was in one of the other studies? Or did I miss something?

We will not know what effect the shutdown will have for years. Maybe the economy will still be damaged enough that my grandson cant find a part time job to learn how to work in 6 years?
Or the children just making the grade will fall far behind in school and never get back out. I know how it feels to fall behind in math in school, once you get to a certain point, you give up.
Also I wonder how many people died because surgery was postponed? Or people who died in their homes because they didn’t go to the hospital?
How many have killed themselves from the isolation? Or will in the future because they feel like there is no way out after they lose everything.
Or the heightened crime that occurs as unemployment increases. There is numerous studies on this.

I could go on, but you get my point.

I agree they needed to restrict, but I’m not sure a total shut down was a good thing. But it just my opinion.
I have to say from a pure layman's view of what we're...conditioned??? to think is that you get something and pow, you never get it again because your body creates antibodies. You get a booster shot or antibody shot and pow, you'll never get it because the shot stimulates your body into making antibodies without actually putting a live virus into your body.

But they're talking 6-9 months maybe where you go from protected to the antibodies being weaker and weaker to a point where you could keep getting the same fucking thing over and over? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is NOT what Joe Public is aware of. What happens if we get 6 or 8 of these type viruses where we can't even get a YEAR of protection? Every year we cycle one of the old that our immune system has gotten weak on along with whatever new thing that gets barfed out of wherever something has gotten mutated into yet another strain?

Is that what they're suggesting might be possible or am I confused about their language?
 
I have to say from a pure layman's view of what we're...conditioned??? to think is that you get something and pow, you never get it again because your body creates antibodies. You get a booster shot or antibody shot and pow, you'll never get it because the shot stimulates your body into making antibodies without actually putting a live virus into your body.

But they're talking 6-9 months maybe where you go from protected to the antibodies being weaker and weaker to a point where you could keep getting the same fucking thing over and over? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is NOT what Joe Public is aware of. What happens if we get 6 or 8 of these type viruses where we can't even get a YEAR of protection? Every year we cycle one of the old that our immune system has gotten weak on along with whatever new thing that gets barfed out of wherever something has gotten mutated into yet another strain?

Is that what they're suggesting might be possible or am I confused about their language?
As Newf has stated earlier, usually a virus mutates and becomes weaker over time.
Our bodies are unreal.
 
I only had time to read the first study right now. They only state that there is a decrease in antibodies after 3 months, around 8-10%. The study has not followed out for the year to see if they are gone, or when they are not detectable.
Now they didn’t state if antibidies from Mars or SARS 1 reduced as well, but were still detectable after a year.
Maybe that was in one of the other studies? Or did I miss something?

We will not know what effect the shutdown will have for years. Maybe the economy will still be damaged enough that my grandson cant find a part time job to learn how to work in 6 years?
Or the children just making the grade will fall far behind in school and never get back out. I know how it feels to fall behind in math in school, once you get to a certain point, you give up.
Also I wonder how many people died because surgery was postponed? Or people who died in their homes because they didn’t go to the hospital?
How many have killed themselves from the isolation? Or will in the future because they feel like there is no way out after they lose everything.
Or the heightened crime that occurs as unemployment increases. There is numerous studies on this.

I could go on, but you get my point.

I agree they needed to restrict, but I’m not sure a total shut down was a good thing. But it just my opinion.

All of the mental health stuff you mentioned is being addressed right now by pretty much all the major agencies across Canada. Once again it is all mitigation. I can tell you from stats (Surveys are all that can be done at the moment) and conversations I have with folks I know in the field that anxiety is way up. A therapist I was talking to today coined the term rudderless. People need to work and be social. It is part of what makes us human. Suicide we won't know about for a few months, but it generally goes up in periods of high unemployment and as you mentioned so does crime.
The failure to go to the hospital for major health concerns is a huge problem and we are seeing people suffering from longterm cardiac damage that could have been prevented if the medical community was more on the ball in making sure people knew ER's were open and safe. That was a blunder.
 
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